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@retoor I firmly believe that "they" applies to everyone, so I can use it for anyone whose gender I'm not sure about or unwilling to memorise. It's a perfect middle ground because everyone except for casual allies like myself hates it. yet I've not heard an argument why it's actively offensive to any soul on this Earth.
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to be entirely honest, besides everyone whom I only know by handles, I also use it for outspokenly anti-trans people to piss them off. The fact that even when they're fully invested in their gender they rarely notice is further proof that it's completely universal in practice.
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retoor705519h@lorentz you think that they is for everyone because you're a cute kiddo. I'm so old, I remember when Merriam Webster still had a spine and had legit words. Fr fr, no cap fam. By now, I can even imagine that it has Rust keywords like fun and impl in it. (btw, made my first Rust app, an CLI ollama client and it feels decent. I often encountered an error like a request timeout but it showed exception nicely). But Some () for example.. What even is that. Is it a truthy thing? Does it check a file descriptors readability? Both? Wtf is that for name. Fr fr.
Their website is hilarious. Facism in most looked up. That's bevause it's a vague term indeed any many indeed don't understand. I think it even changes in definition. I once learned that's it is a strong believe in a certain thing among a group of people. So, yeah, by my simple definition you could say religions are facism and so on. But I'm sure simple that was once definition. Now it's the description of a German or smth. -
lorentz1573211h@retoor The gender neutral singular "they" is older than the new world. If you were that old, you'd be bitching about improper use of "you" in place of "thou".
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lorentz1573211hThere are a lot of reasons why you would want to refer to a single person of unknown gender, most notably unborn children and authors of text records, but also distant figures in the wilderness, titles which may belong to anyone in the future, and roles in the abstract such as customer. Everybody used "they" and no one gave a fuck for centuries. When queers wish to leave their gender unspecified, no matter how much history you invent, your problem isn't with the linguistics, it is purely with the queers.
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lorentz1573211h@retoor to clarify, I _know_ that "they" applies to a person whose gender you don't know or don't want to specify. I _believe_ that it also applies to a person who has different preferred pronouns that aren't relevant to the discussion, by the same exact mechanism. This is the controversial part of the argument, not the fact that the neutral "they" is at least as old as book printing in England.
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jestdotty688210h@lorentz speaking of linguistics, when you used queers just now I've only ever heard it in the context of an insult...
it's super weird you just used it seriously. what has the world come to -
@jestdotty I knew historically it used to be an insult, but I thought that fell out of fashion before I was born, and at least in my circles it's just a convenient monosyllabic word for all non-binary people. Either way, to be non-binary in a country where even gay marriage only has a slim majority support requires thick skin so they don't really tend to mind what I call them within reason.
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retoor70554h@lorentz uhmz no, the queers are the one with a problem.
Oh my god Lorentz 😕 Did you drink from the same cup as ostream 😕 non binary is btw a huge identity crisis that should be treated. I was for a year in a mental hospital and that's where the *real* ones are. So that's something I know very well. It's very sad. Imagine being so sexist that you decide you're not fitting in one.
Project idea: make kiki straight again!
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