Lmao 2 more devs about to quit. Could life get any worse? Why do developers never stick around?

They don't have haridrougs.

Not enough pay, too much work, nobody listens to them... There could be dozens of different reasons. I've dealt with all three of those examples in the past month.

Well tbh their IS too much work and not enough pay although we are a startup that is gaining traction. I naively thought the company's potential would be enough to keep the team together 😭

@witchDev
Depeneds on whether they feel that their code is "honoured" enough. If they feel that their work is just wasted (apart from increasing their experience), they will eventually leave.

@witchDev A startup boss who says that he can't pay well already disqualifies himself. If there's one phase where a company has money, it's right at the beginning because there's still credit line or investor money. Instead of shelling that out for luxury office space or company cars, investing into fucking PEOPLE makes most sense.

Also, you just can't found a startup with all the technical and architectural basis when you hire cheap juniors, and even less if you try to hire seniors at junior pay.

Not least because seniors have seen enough in life as not to fall for "company community yadda yadda" bullshit.

Beware any company that had no engineers near the helm.

@Fast-Nop
Preach. I haven't even bothered securing funding because we're already profitable, and pay over market in the UK.

@Oktokolo yup it's why I left my last job.

@Fast-Nop Guys I don't own the startup 😂 I too am an employee looking for a better paying job. I don't even have equity which tbh could have kept me. I howeved wish I could see this project through with the team I started with but alas, man's got to pay bills.
My grief is I will be asked to find replacements and I am TAYAD😭

@witchDev Lol, finding replacements... They making you HR on the way out?

@witchDev Staying in a company for "potential" is the engineering equivalent of doing free work for "exposure" - especially if there's no equity involved.

If the company does become the next big thing and is worth billions overnight - what does that mean for me as a dev? Sod all. They might give me a small payrise, to around market rate... but they're not going to pay more than that, otherwise they could just find someone else (in their heads anyway.) Might get a bit of a bonus, which is a nice touch of course - but doesn't come close to a significant salary increase.

So as a Dev, I could stay around on a crappy salary hoping the company gets big and they're nice enough to reward me for it - or I could bail, find an established company who pays great salaries and bonuses off the bat, and start furthering my career immediately.

I know which one I'd choose!

Here I am trying to FIND work

@klutch
Here you are talking online, you mean 😋 get them resumes out!

I'm on it haha

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@Demolishun your comment killed me. Yes they are. I hate start-ups 🤣

Cause you can use half done software but can’t read half done book.