Anyone know of any hosts NOT running on amazon/silicon valley/microsoft cloud?

I'm specifically looking for a host thats setup for or works well with python.

I'm about done with censorship and noplatforming. As a moderate that for a very long time was left of center, these practices are never justified.

Icelandic providers are pretty nice because they're neither in the EU not the US, but they aren't cheap if you actually want to host in Iceland.

Obviously, anything that common sense suggests to be off-limits is also illegal in Iceland. Drugs, weapons, pedo, but even regular pr0n.

As a moderate that was right of center...

You can't yell fire on an airplane. You can't yell "bomb" in an airport.

There are limits to speech in all societies.

In this case, "You can't tell, not just lies, but peddle a complete misinformation reality, backed by foreign enemies, resulting in a mass of people who are basing their entire world view on information that is outside reality."

You don't have to hack the vote when you know how to hack the people.

When the printing press was invented it was used for... propaganda. And one could argue the "information bubbles" that resulted led to the World Wars.

People aren't any more ready for the internet... and we can't afford another World War so people can figure out they're being lied to.

And finally, THIS IS NOT A FUCKING FREE SPEECH ISSUE.

Private companies can do whatever the fuck they want on THEIR platforms and to force them would be to deny them THEIR speech.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi Oh for fucks sake. I guess we have to have this conversation for the unibformed

First of all "fire in a theater" is NOT nor ever has been free speech.

Second *you* not liking or agreeing with what others have to say IS NOT 1. "propaganda", 2. "dangerous misinformation", 3. or "yelling fire in a theater."

you should be ashamed. I dont even know you and im disappointed in you.

You dont have to like what people have to say, but you dont get to shut it down by moscharacterizing or fearmongering about it.

You either support the liberty to speak freely or you don't.

One cannot "heil hitler" in Germany.

One cannot "heil trump" in the USA.

Boo hoo. Some wanks got deplatformed becuase they're so fucking blind stupid that they openly planned their rebellion on wide open channels on the internet even literally after they already knew the FBI was watching.

The internet was better before every dumb shit with a walmart burner phone was on it, and I believe that time can come again!

And nobody is "stopping my free speech waaaaa".

Start your own fucking website and say whatever the fuck you want you're a fucking web developer jesus fucking christ on a tit.

@Fast-Nop thanks FastNop.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi Paul Sethe, German journalist, said in fucking 1965 that freedom of press was the freedom of like 200 rich people to see their opinion in print. That's where we're heading back to with this "private corps can unpublish whom they want" approach.

Welcome back to the mid-20th century! Please bury all hopes you may have had for future tech to change society, and arrange with how shit has always been, only through different means.

If you don't know the past, you're condemnded to repeat it. That's why history is so repetetive, because a major thing that is always the same is people saying "it's different this time".

The Switz come to mind.

Probably a VPS with full root access you could turn into anything you want.

https://lunarvps.com/

But "cloud"... I got nothing for you that would not be aligned with the latest trends.

As for this freedom of speech shit.
I live in a country that does not have freedom of speech, so tell me how that works for you 😅

I have a freedom of expression though, so dear lord will I fucking express myself 🍆 ✊💦

@Fast-Nop I repeat, for the third time.

There is nothing stopping people from starting their own website/platform...

And ESPECIALLY in the website we are all in, to sit and whine about it rather than use their skills to do something about it, can only be the same old victim complex from the cult we've seen the last four years.

And THAT is what I'm sick of.

Either be the bully or be the victim but would you please fucking pick one.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi You're ignoring that we're past the Cambrian explosion phase which was 20 years ago on the internet. We're in the usual market concentration phase that usually leads to oligopoly at best and monopoly at worst.

Sure you can publish what you want on some obscure platform. It's just that nobody will read it.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I've already experienced two of these cycles happening, one with the actual PC platform, and one with the internet.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi you sound like you would. I guess thats how you know.

let me ask you: who do you even think I voted for?

I want how you make assumptions.

@Fast-Nop Parler is a 2 year old site... Somehow Matze did just what you claim can't be done in the last 24 months.

And if he adds better moderation of violent content and a pedo filter he can put his shit back up.

And then we can all go over there and have this debate as god intended rather than having all these alt-right "free speech refugees" running around the god damn internet like a guatemalan caravan.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi obviously supports denying service to gays blacks and other minorities.

"i T s A p R i v A T e B uS i N e S s!"

@HiFiWiFiSciFi twitter is full of pedos as is most of big tech, and besides that what do you define as "violent content."?

Also all this summers riots, and the d c riots were organized on telegram, twitter, and facebook.
Are you calling for them to be deplatformed bigot?

@HiFiWiFiSciFi "theres nothing stopping you from starting your own"

Literal hordes of authoritariab farthuffing shitheads like you getting caught in chats revealing you post violent and pornographuc content to get conpetitors shut down.

"buld your own app"

deplatformed from the app store, and effectively shut out of the market.

"build your own website".
hosting providers all collude to shut you out.

"build your own website and host."
payment providers all collude to shut you out and shut you down.

ddos protection shuts you out. you go to another. the one providing DDOs now is pressured to shut you out too.

@Wisecrack I fucking guarantee you voted Trump.

🪑🍿 I may aswell get comfy, this looks like it's going to take a while.

@Wisecrack LOL

@HiFiWiFiSciFi Well, the first time I even heard of Parler was the news that it had been hacked. The thing here isn't even the tech platform, it's the "network effect". If you show up after the Cambrian explosion phase, it doesn't really matter how cool your tech stack is.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi lolol I voted write in.

"Not my government."

This is what im talking about. These retard tier demonization labels and reflexive assumptions you have been trained to make like pavlovs dogs.

Tell me more, really, no *really*, the things you assume about me.

B/c I'm pretty sure, based on the stereotype, I know ALL your political opinions.

You voted for: joe biden. Even though he is ON video making racist comments, feeling up tons of girls and women, and who is part of the neocon war mongering establishment.

You support: gun laws

You support: womens reprodutive freedom.

You believe: censorship of "dangerous opinions" is ok.

You supported: the summer riots, even though they killed a pregnant mother, two children, and a retired black man for defending his friends business. the same groups who tried to burn down a fucking ORPHANAGE *after* barricading the children inside (oh you didnt know about that? now you do).
you support a war with russia.

Fucking predictable.

@Fast-Nop it is surprising how few people understand the network effect and market saturation.

@Wisecrack I did vote Biden.

I support reasonable gun reform, but am also the owner of a .306, an M&P 5.56 (i.e. an AR 15) and a Walther 9mil. I am a redneck from the sticks, after all.

I absolutely support that every person make their own medical decisions. And if you'd get your greedy Christian hands out of my wife and daughters pussies we'd get along a lot fucking better.

I believe censorship of sedition and treason and fascism is perfectly fucking fine. My grandpa dropped fire bombs on Dresden, you're lucky all you get is a fucking muzzle.

I support civil disobedience, but to even compare BLM over the summer to what happened in the Capitol CAN ONLY BE EXCUSED BY YOUR DEEP PERSONAL RACISM.

You can't predict shit. Take for instance the 2 years worth of elections or wether or not you're being lied to constantly.

I was a Kasich voter 4 years ago, BTW,... so LOL

I didn't leave Conservatism, conservatism went fucking off the rails batshit.

No I dont think you're a rightwinger, a redneck, or a gun owner. I think you're a liar talking out both side of the hole you suck cocks with and I think you're a larper who calls himself a leftwinger, but who like most of my former side is actually an authoritarian fascist.

Also not a xtian and I support womens right to choose. I thought that would have been obvious from the wording. Was trying to offer you something we agreed on but this is what im talking about dude: the entire left got coopted by the neocons into becoming fanatics who see enemies everywhere.

Having read the rest of your post im sure now. You are a authoritarian leftwinger larping as a conservatard (cant fathom the reason for this retardation), and people like you are the explicit reason why I left the left and joined the libertarians.

You are a cult. Ffs you voted for a VP who put innocent blacks in prison for smoking a plant. Dont ever talk to me about racism again. You voted for it in spades.

@Wisecrack I'm not a right winger. I officially changed party prior to the midterms.

If I'm the one in the "cult" why is it I can get my information freely from any source on the planet...

While you can only get your information from a dwindling sect of ever further radicalizing alt-right blogs?

You want to say Democrats are the racist ones, but go have a look at thedonald.win at this moment... Or I mean... did you even go to Parler? It was inarguably a sess pool of black/latino/jewish hate?

As for the drug war? Shrug. I've been smoking legal under Democrats in my state for years. Sorry if your right wing bible thumpers are still locking people up for that.

To say Kamala was directly responsible for that as AG is a huge stretch also... its the legislatures that write the laws, the AG just enforces what's on the books.

It's like holding a court appointed attorney responsible for their clients crimes.

A poor argument.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi honestly, could you guys just bring a fucking centrist party back? Republicans are so far to the right nowadays that they're basically kissing the ultra-conservative's asses. (No offense)
When the centrist party got old and shifted so far to the right, if you still want to keep the left you will have to bring out a centrist party just to hold the balance. And it'd keep the nutjob anarchists at bay as well, given they have more than one enemy to fight.
That's just my two cents tho. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@HiFiWiFiSciFi I *am* latino and jewish you dumb racist fuck.

Sweet abrahams cock, this is what my former political party has come to.

FYI changing parties midterms doesnt mean shit.

Fundementally you voted for 1. putting more blacks in prison over a plant, disarming more minorities, undermining womens rights because handsy joe is good at that. You literally became a stereotype of a conservative lolol.

You might as well have written-in "xxx" like the old illiterates from west virginia did, because I'd be surprised you're even smart enough to sign your fucking name.

Instead of studying politics, go study hooked on fucking phonics and stay on your new side of the aisle.

Its one thing to be a traitor, its another thing to be so dumb that you discredit what we stand for.
On second thought, stay on the right. The left doesnt need any more sheep blindly lead with the herd to vote for more thinly veiled authoritarian neocons.

@NoMad spitting common sense. I dont want to make amends with the right or for unity between left and right. I want our people on the left to stop sucking the rights clit and acting like neocons 2.0

@HiFiWiFiSciFi FYI I get my news from dozens of sites.

I bet you've never even read an opposition news site.

And its why I understand their arguments and you don't.

Its why we lost in 2016. We failed to understand the opposition. And its because of people like you who 1. reflexively label opinions as evil, just like a cult 2. refusing to listen.

And here you are again.

Shit guys, I ran out of popcorn, anyone else want a fresh bucket while I'm up?

🍿🍿

@C0D4 yup, bring me some too. ’Muricans are so entertaining when they go batshit crazy like this...

I read half of this thread before my first cup of coffee and I wanted to cut some throats, coming back 1 and a half cups later I just want me some popcorn!

@100110111 they should change there mantra from "land of the free" to the "land of the lost"

From where I sit, both sides are so far sided that @NoMad has it right, there is no central party anymore, and what's worse is, neither side can be "right" when both sides are bloody wrong.

Politics went from governing the people to thickening the pockets of the wealthy.

But hey, not my fight so here's a fresh tub of 🍿 and enjoy the feature film.

@C0D4 also, both sides are politically right from a Nordic PoV. But yeah, there’s no sense in a two-party mockery of democratic system. It makes for good entertainment, tho

@C0D4 wait, weren't politics always for the sake of the top elite who do something good for masses occasionally just because that's safer for them?

Coming back to the topic, I find it remarkable that censorship is even possible, given that the internet originally was created in a decentralised way to survive nuclear attacks.

The good thing about the Parler hack is that it hopefully taught IT basics such as the need for security and privacy to its users. Given how many of them were stupid enough to even upload their IDs or driver licences on such a platform, that shows that they need to learn the hard way.

@Fast-Nop I doubt any learning has happened tho. There’s a level of dumb that has no cure.

If anything, anyone not fond of the US has been having a field day for some years now lol

@Wisecrack Why are you making this seem like they're being kicked off services for dIfFeReNt oPiNiOns or something? I agree that companies shouldn't legally be able to kick someone of their services just because of their political views or something (although some certain people believe in a completely free unregulated market, so.....), but what has happened here is not that. I see nothing wrong with platforms not wanting to help out people inciting violence and other illegal things. If Parler just moderated the content and banned such things, it would be a completely different situation. It's no longer just about opinions or what political party you prefer.

🥳 Did I miss the party?

@Fast-Nop it is worse, platforms are censoring shit because people don't want to see shit.

That is all the minority groupsbhave been doing for years, 'you can't do this', '
You say that', 'you are a bigot/sexist/racist', etc.

Basically 'you don't think or act the same way I do so you are wrong'.

And corporations have been eating that shit for years now, accommodating stupid-speech no not look like assholes so thet can still make money.

Banning people from social media because of what thet say ir believe, foreign people because something they said somethings 10 years ago, cancel culture is just the logical step in the patch we have been for years now, I am not seeing any indication of things getting better.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi Social media algorothms lead to information bubbles. Additionally, in the case of Twitter, even Jack Doodle Dorsey admitted that Twitter has political bias. What do you think happens to debate and discourse on a social media platform when it arbitrarily applies its rules and bans with political bias?
Exactly, information bubbles can grow and views separate to different platforms leading to more circle jerking and less dialog.
I am fully behind a platform which applies its own TOS fairly without bias and it banning objectively devious people.
Trump's ban was not juszified by the TOS. If it was, they should have banned him 4 years ago. It was a political stunt.

@PonySlaystation Jack Dorsey ALSO gave Trump extremely broad leniency for rules that ALL the rest of had to follow for YEARS. I say this having been kicked off Twitter dozens of times for relatively minor violations while Trump made nuclear threats against North Korea on Twitter?

'Member that? Our president used a platform that claims to be against promoting violence to threaten nuclear war.

Or has that been lost to the rest of the firehose of falsehood?

Good times.

And IDK, I don't think it's a "PR Stunt" so much as the entire nation waking up to the literal danger to our nation's sovereignty from continuing to allow not just lies, but a complete misinformation campaign, about the integrity of our election process to continue.

It disenfranchises EVERYBODY.

Nuclear threats on twitter, but our kids do lock down drills instead of nuclear drills, because we are a larger danger to ourselves than our enemies cold war nuclear arsenals.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi You took the "I have a bigger button" tweet serious? Jeez.

Also, Twitter should have banned half of the BLM tweets during the riots, but didn't.

@bakk Actually from what I gather this was wildly untrue. From talking to someone that was on there, they removed threats from Parler as fast as they could.

The same can not be said for the major tech providers and their platforms.

Also monopoly activity to shut down competitors is not a "regulatory" action.

If you accept that "parler was promoting violencr", or "all these accounts were promoting violence on twitter, etc", you've been lied to.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi if 80 million people are pissed off about elections, and theu are half as dangerous as you think, it is unwise to censor them and refuse a reasonable audit of the elections.

And I don't have a pony in that race because I didn't vote fpr either major candidate for president.

So you have to take a step back and ask yourself if you are being objective about this any more.

Calling for an audit, or questioning election integrity, is *never* violence or promoting violence.

@Wisecrack 80 million might be an exageration...

"The Plan" as it was called ended up being about 2 dozen people in Lansing with like 4 of them armed.

They were outnumbered by the Press.

They were outnumbered by the Police.

They were outnumbered by the National Guard.

And you know what? Bull fucking shit you were calling for a fucking "Audit".

You called for audits in a dozen states, were rebuked by your own Election Officials, your own Secretaries of State and Governors, you were rejected by your own appointed federal judges, and in more than one instance by the 5 - 4 right wing SCOTUS...

You. Fucking. Lost. Fair. And. Fucking. Square.

So either shut the fucking fuck up about it or put that fucking muzzle on.

Because it's not 80 million of you that are so batshit to believe the lies even now... it's down to about 2 dozen LARPers per state.

And LOL, for somebody who didn't support Trump... you still here... supporting Trump.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi yeah because I understand the geopolitics of a biden administration, and 80 million is about right (well thats their number, its more along the lines of 76 million).

In any case why are you against an audit if their side lost?

Do you think censoring angry is gonna make this issue go away?

Have you lost your mind? Do you not talk to the conservatives at all?

They're not gonna put this to rest until they have an audit.

And it is *never* a danger to demand transparency in elections, least of all when dozens of court cases were rejected out of hand *without* being allowed to present evidence.

You know what that would look like if donny did it?

It would look like election theft.

Apparently in the only one left of the former left that call for transparency then too.

@Wisecrack I'm fine with "audits".

Audits were done in: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Alaska. They found very little fraud and certainly not the 7 million votes they would need to find.

In addition suits were filed contesting the results in: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia. These were laughed out of court for having literally no hard evidence.

Then Texas sued, and 17 red states joined them. This was thrown out by the SCOTUS because the idea the sitting VEEP could just throw out electors is profoundly ridiculous.

Have you not been watching all of this play out for 3 fucking months? What the fuck?

Fucking Audits... fuck off with your fucking Audits. We did that shit... that was like the first thing to fail before several other equally dumb attempts to nullify my right to vote also failed.

And save the "call for trasparency" after the right spent four years covering up endemic russian collusion.

@HiFiWiFiSciFi the GOP absolutely did cover up russian collusion. And I called for audits then too.

And as before no *actual* audits were carried out.

It's always half measure.

And until you get that, until you support election transparency, regardless of who wins, full transparency, we will always have these problems as a society.

In other words get on my level.

It's not enough to hold the other party to account, we also have to hold our own party to account, hold its feet to the fire.

Or they will just run us, their constituents, over, and do shit like meddling with the primaries to pick the party officials' favorite candidates rather than who we actually want to run.

@Wisecrack Ok. If we’re going to keep with this...

Let’s try to establish a baseline of agreed upon facts. Since we can’t have a reasonable debate without it.

What specific events have led you to believe there was a lack of transparency in this election?