Peeing fully naked while hanging from a really high pull-up bar is the highest possible sense of freedom a human being can experience.

In between sets of hanging fully clothed from a middle height pull-up bar and not peeing right now. After reading your post I am now experiencing a profound sense of lack and emptiness. Fuck you

you have very low expectations

I have no idea what this has to do with software dev but yayy I suppose :P

@bad-frog I dunno this is something I never did before :P I would add at a 1000 foot elevation hanging over a crowded city street :P

@bad-frog oh wait he said really high.
but not over the crowded street :P

@demoralizeddev I guess I… demoralized you

@demoralizeddev lol i hate the world so much lol

@kiki yes you’ve crushed my spirit. It feels so wrong. Do it again

https://youtu.be/pXRviuL6vMY

how i feel in someone else's song who unfortunately i think is the enemy but thats ok the message is sound.

Active freedom indeed is what most people strive for.

But imagine not having any negative consequence for _not_ performing actions.
In your example you wouldn't need to pee. You could if you wanted to, but if you don't, the waste just magically disappears. There would be no negative consequences of not doing it - no sense of fullness, no negative health effects of stopped blood filtration...

Passive freedom is where the real power fantasies are. Don't want to work? Well just don't. You don't have to explain anything and still get your living...

@Oktokolo yes but it is dissonant with how we were built neurobiologically. Anxiety will kick in. Unfortunately as long as we keep growing new brain layers instead of modifying existing ones, our primal reactions are here to stay, making what you say not feasible. Unless of course we become a different species altogether

@kiki
Anxiety requires a feeling of not being in control while also being uncertain about the future.
I would expect an increase in passive freedom to also increase the feeling of being in control - as you are less forced to certain behaviour and actions by your own needs and external forces.

An actually possible step towards more passive freedom would be universal basic income.
Here is an experiment in California:
https://npr.org/2021/03/...
"Among the key findings [...] are that the unconditional cash [...] and decreased their measurable feelings of anxiety and depression, compared with their control-group counterparts."

@Oktokolo unfortunately anxiety can also go away through surrender and normalization of the cause until someone reaches their breaking point, causing them to lose motivation and initiative but also simultaneously there is always some question as to which actions are caused by unrecognized coping mechanisms related to anxiety.

How high?

Why didn't I guess that this must be you. 😂😂

..Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today!