F the people who think more rules and regulations are answers to the current problems. You know why your businesses are shutting down, taking jobs with them and moving elsewhere?

Because too many complicated tax laws. Why put effort when countries like Singapore, Estonia are doing a much better job.

Oh, hello, the "free market" guy 😉

@Ubbe Chinaman, go to china, and kiss the xinping CCP lord's arse. China lacks original ideas and copy ideas from entrepreneurs.

When you are done, being overused by your masters, comtemplate suicidal thoughts with no one to help you. And don't think about migrating elsewhere.

@iiii Yeah its not your problem, until it is. I know how it is with you. US vs them, mindset.

@Ubbe he is talking about simplifying tax codes. Why are you strawmanning him?

@aviophile He likes china more than his own country.

@Ubbe You deduced having more complicated laws made china so dominant right? That oppresses its own people and takes right away for Hong Kong and Taiwan people. Must be so dominant right? lel

@Ubbe he complains about MORE rules and regulations. Opposite is not removing all of them.

@Ubbe You know why we went to the moon? Not because of tax money. Because of the fear, russia is going to do it first. It came out of a need. Nothing more.

Your tax money is going to waste these days. If a country is stable entrepreneurs, and capitalists knows how to create and fulfill needs better than your government.

@Ubbe So you think more rules will help everyone? America at its core used to stand for an individual rights. Now with too many rules and regulations, you can barely move without consulting bunch of lawyers.

Can your kid open a lemonade stand today? Nope. You need permission from council, need approval from food and health safety and a bunch of legalities setup. WTF !!!!!

Whats wrong with simplifying life of its citizen so they are more productive?

Name one country that hasn't done well with more laxed regulations?

Sometimes rules and regulations are there to fix the uneven relationship between the boss and the worker. They do not have the same risks involved, since "bus factor 1" isn't all that common. (All the wear masks and hard hats regulations)
Other times it's to limit growth of an industry, since it's actually not that great. Think about drugs, tabaco, alcohol, firearms...
Some regulations are there to limit the industry of becoming monopolistic, this one is important for well-being of all instead of one.
And no, capitalism can't auto resolve itself, with the "invisible arm". It's as retarded as Communism, my dude.

@HitWRight Thanks for the thoughtful reply. These days can't have a dialogue without shouting at each other. People jump on to scream as if its personal.

But as someone trying to start a business, Its almost impossible without a sizable capital investment firstly towards accountants and lawyers. I am forced to look towards these countries rather than the one I am residing in now. And no I won't be serving its citizenships either.

Laws need to be friendly towards individuals, and simple enough for a 0-mid-sized market cap company. Its a complete clusterfuck mess as it is.

@jassole again, I have no affiliation with US and no intention of having one.

@aviophile he also advocates for a totally rule free market. I think we actually can make some assumptions about his way of thinking from that

As fascinating as this discussion is, I don't think it belongs on devRant. Let's try to keep things dev-focused, even if indirectly (as mentioned in the terms of service).

Don't be an jassole

@jassole Yeah at times it's difficult to discuss economics and politics, due to emotions. (Devrant is not usually the place for it, although I sometimes wish it were, just because a lot of developers are really bloody smart.)

Depending on the country, I do agree that there are regulations that actually increases the friction on starting a new company. Or taxing a small one as much as a big one, which does in the end move everyone towards oligopoly. If there are possibilities, move to other places of needed. Poorer countries often mimic more successful ones, and slowly actually get better themselves.

@electrineer "an" only can go before a vowel. You need to replace "an" with "a"

@jassole it was part of the word play

@HitWRight The other guy hasn't named one country that wasn't successful due to laxed laws. But I disagree that developers are smart in general judging from some of the other responses here. Common developers are the worst to discuss about politics. They are too boxed.

You can't approach economics and politics with an engineering mind. Not everyone is wired like that, and they need to act out on their desires, be it pornography, building rockets, going to the moon or whatever it is as long as everyone can live together without harming others.

That is what free market does. Every niche has a market due to the demand. All necessaities provided, all anxieties tranquilized to quote "Network" :P

@ostream rich fucks shouted the old man at the sky

@electrineer ;)

@jassole someone said "porn", eh?

@iiii you heard it right.

why not just alter the way the economic system works to lessen waste and prop people up and let them work for their extras and we could level off the playing field and create things that would prop up mfg efforts, support r&d and cap wages and prices simultaneously to make everything easier to manage and use direct induction of funds via CBs and direct contractions via monetary exit points to limit circulating currency and reduce the rich to pauper status so they don't have any competing interests in making a system that allows all people to live and thrive and enjoy themselves and emphasizes that we don't even need all of our workforce full time to begin with while focusing on repairing infrastructure and fixing and beautifying our existing buildings and knocking down decrypit old roach zoos ?

and why do i have to constantly say this ? years later and its almost like a literal version of the frustrated statement 'and everyone is arguing from the same deluded self serving..

... instead of looking at the bigger picture'. seriously all these precise points already made.

@MadMadMadMrMim thanks for the comments. I support the first half of your comment. But the problem is "who" gets to decide all the rules? Everyone has their own biases.

Centrally applied rules has a history of failures, and they don't serve to a certain group of people.

@jassole the problem is that being hung up on this exact line of reasoning in the USA at least has allowed a form of feudalism to take root that would make Amin jealous where the serfs are deluded

We’d have to have the strength of community we once did before garbage people started hollowing out everything that mattered in service of solidifying their own cynical perceptions and hatred of other peoples happiness into truth a few generations later

If we had that the system could be proposed as a high level concept and that each community could understand and consider and present their ideas for implementation

That and it would require honest people

The general principle is that only power hungry assholes that hate freedom and happiness and want excuses to see other people unhappy while crying out hypocritically over what they really either revel in or have a hand in

If the idea at its core benefits everyone only the worst should oppose it

@Ubbe ahahahhaha, nice one mate. "jassholes" lol. While I don't agree with you, that made me laugh.

Hate to say this what we need is something that doesn’t exist

A dictator that isn’t a cruel corrupt tyrant who’d shut the rich people and their political machines up and kick all the chomo garbage into the pyre still breathing so they couldn’t poison every thing to their purpose like they always do

@MadMadMadMrMim I think both you and I want the same goal which is economic freedom and happiness for the common individual.

At least you articulate your points in a civil manner, which is lacking in today's debate, even though we might not agree on the approach.

A dictator is a big no-no from me. Hitler didn't start out mass-murdering/executing people. He started out cleaning the factories of mices and trash.

A dictator by definition does get to do what he wants. Even though he might appear appleasing, people change. Power corrupts everyone, there is no guarentee.

@jassole I was thinking more about something the absolute worst one said about how nothing gets done unless all follow one will and from the bottom to the top all obey

A centralized vision did create that horror of a state but if it has been directed at something good what could it have accomplished ?

@jassole same here

One centralized group of perverts working since the late 1800s creating one more obscenely stupid thing after another with the purpose of leveraging apathy frustration and cynicism and increasing all these to seize power and usher in another dark age

@Ubbe yes the issue is that people in general are greedy stupid so they make the wrong decisions.

many are also simply ill informed
and our entire system is corrupt and dysfunctional.

and this should seem rather repetitive. because it is. which is a perfect illustration of my point.

I watch people all day long eat scraps and crumbs because they decided to be garbage. they decided to take easy answers and do in many cases things that are monstrous to get a little bit of something they want and now they're stuck forever.

I see people using our system to entrap others that do not deserve to be, and I myself have some experience with this.

Our country is fucked because of the people first and foremost.

Look at the classical debate between libs and conservatives. A whole group of assholes took advantage of that endless back and forth to create the fucked up life we're all stuck in now. no progress, just excuses and distraction.

Ok socialists plebs pay attention and watch this:
Before you dwebs come out yelling, watch it again.

https://youtube.com/watch/...

@jassole what a laughable, Prager U level, bullshit.

@iiii haha, don't be a socialist scum.