Microsoft are making this target too easy

I'll take Ms Word anytime than Latex.

It may not be the prettiest but it's convenient

Hahahaha cracked me up.

Why would anyone pay for MS office if you there are 3 or 4 decent / better alternatives?

@ars1 Excel. There's just nothing like it.

It's typesetting software for professionals. Positioning works like you'd expect if you even have an informed expectation and aren't just clicking at pretty icons hoping they change the document in a direction you like - because you don't even know what exactly you want to happen to the layout.

I prefer LaTeX because it's easier to manage code snippets than recorded macros and document templates, but they solve the exact same problems in a very similar way, just one is clicky and the other is typey.

@anux spreadsheet is a commodity.
So unless you mean can't even save a CSV or UTF-8; than yeah there is nothing like it.

@ars1 hint, they are not better.

@hjk101 excel provides more than csv editing

Honestly... I don't understand people's continued issues with Word and Images. Just right click the image and back it a Square.

Boom! <+Move it where ever you want and not worry about the text moving around stupidly.

@aviophile It does not support CSV editing that is the problem. Some moron thought 'Ow you are in a country that uses a comma as decimal separator, wel than you want C in CSV to be semicolon naturally with no means to configure it"
As long as this and a multitude of other international incompatibility fuck-ups exists; Excel is not something I have to take serious or praise.

@hjk101 you sir haven't really used Excel then. Libre Calc is a good alternative but I start missing Excel as soon as I try to do something fancy (like tables).

@hjk101 Fair point.

@hjk101 CSV in Excel has caused me many headaches..

@anux I've used Excel and to be honest it does so most things fine and some ui things are way more polished but as a dev I have to work with CSV and external sheets a lot. Also we use Google sheets for collab. Lots fancy stuff and the basics are already in Calc and Sheets so I tend to use that more unless I have to edit and return an xlsx file, just to make sure there is no compat fuck-ups from calc.

What do you mean by tables by the way? Can you elaborate or point it out here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/...

@hjk101 Tables in Excel are like named ranges. They make data formatting and maintenance simpler and faster.
In the wiki link I think maybe 'table styles' corresponds to what I mean.

@hjk101 you set the header as a semicolon in the csv file

Open in Notepad
Skip a line at the top, and add sep=;

@cho-uc it's more convenient, because we still can't have WYSIWYG LaTeX editors with better UX...

@iSwimInTheC in my country the issue is that it saves and opens as semicolon seperated.
So in theory I could:
1. echo "Sep=," > new.csv
2. open it
3. edit it
4. exporting it as csv again and pray maybe respects the set separator (still in doubt).

Nice workflow... no thank you and still no solution for the right charset.

@anux ah nice never used that. Seems there are some different approaches in Calc for that but tables sound more straightforward.

Is the hate about the features or just because it's "microsoft"?

@jasongodev both

Its easy to.. import and move an image
.. or is it just me? Never understood people complaing about it

I'll use calc or sheets for anything basic (especially if it needs sharing with business people, sheets is great for that)

Anything more complicated where I'd need an advanced feature that Excel is better at, i'd rather format my data into copy statements using regex and fire it into a postgres container.