That was a new piece of info ...

Python: 1991
Javascript: 1996
Java: 1995
C# : 2003

all these "modern" languages we use these days.

LISP

Heh, most people I know assume python is newer too. Java stagnated for a long time around 2005-2015 ish, the same time Python 3 was gaining traction, so I think that could well be why Java was assumed to be the "older" language in many ways.

It is very funny

But java of 2021 is still similar to the one of 1995. But python 2021 is nothing like the one from 1991.

My first shitty production code release: 1994.

I was also convinced until 1996 that this whole "web" thing was quite stupid, that PHP was nothing but a cute toy, that Java was completely unusable because it was soooo slow, and that diskettes were the superior storage medium and stay in production forever because distributing software on optical discs would always be prohibitively expensive.

@bittersweet
Back then, the web actually was a stupid mess of colorful font tags and animated gifs, PHP actually was just a crappy glue language around some C wrappers, Java actually was waaaay too slow, and the Iomega Zip drive indeed looked like it would be the next big thing in storage.

Divide the amount of PEPs on 50-100 and leave out the fraction part. You still can count it on fingers! Fascinating!

Don't forget that php was also released in 1995. I think all 3 evolved nicely. Python for a huge boost with ML. Java was king of the enterprise and popular at schools. PHP still is the web language I think although that is changing a bit.
Quite impressive, quite a lot of legacy and backwards compatible buildout too...

@hjk101

Java became a top corporate language, PHP became a top web language -- both rather quickly after their inception.

Python was definitely not a big factor, until the mid 10's -- when it started being carried by Data science and ML. The whole Py2/3 debacle didn't really help it soar before that either. It's a pretty neat language now though.

So in that sense, Java and PHP are kind of "older", if interpreted in terms of "programming community mileage" instead of purely by chronological time.

But I think especially Java's "survival" is quite interesting.

There has been a "Java is the new Fortran" sentiment for as long as I can remember -- As in: It is widespread, but will ultimately only survive in legacy corporate environments.

But then.... Android happened, and suddenly Java was kind of cool again.

And dare I say it: Minecraft happened. The amount of young Java devs I encounter who started out as a Minecraft server admin or MC modder....

There was another python surge I remember before ML/data science. That is in develops/automation. Can remember it was called the language of the cloud as all the API libs and tooling was in python.

@C0D4 the temporal progression from shit to not shit checks out, though

I still prefer Pascal.