@jestdotty C++ is pretty terrifying from a dry start, very dense syntax, pointer mania, and std functions with oblique names that can't be pronounced. If you have the added perception that it's "unsafe", I can totally understand why Rust is more appealing to someone starting out.

@12bitfloat I'm only messing, I'm a bit beyond language wars, they're all great and they're all shit.

What put me off jumping in was genuinely that it was 2021 and everyone was half-mad, I didn't see many of the trends of that year sticking, not least at attempt on the daddy language itself (no idea when it came out but this was the year I remember hearing about it loads, out of nowhere).

@retoor right. These languages are supposed to be "unsafe", how else are we supposed to feel smug for writing in them? Making C "safe" is like putting stabilisers on a motorbike.

@retoor don't worry, my pull out game is terrible. They're ok, they're just junior really. Like when you first start out and you think that, I dunno, Flash Actionscript is the best language on Earth because it's the only one you've used.

@12bitfloat to be honest, it didn't even seem like a good idea to me then, and I'd been day-drinking alone for six months. I might go see what Rust looks like from this notionally stable position.

I had food poisoning the other day and the sheer amount of puke I summoned to redecorate my bathroom made me think something similar, we're all ambulatory septic tanks, full of disgusting bio-waste, just waiting to explode.

Rust is the NFT of programming languages. It seemed like a good idea, a year into a pandemic lockdown.

@TheBeardedOne oh God. My heart goes out to you.

Dunno what Wicket is but with such a stupid and instantly-hateable name I’m guessing it’s a JS framework

Web3 grifters are getting ever more desperate for a “use case” these days

Honestly I use a couple of AI tools so I’m probably a total hypocrite but I’m starting to feel a bit depressed about all of this. Before long we’re going to find that we automated everything fun and creative and only have the jobs the robots are *supposed* to be doing left for us.

I don't resent the tech, it's amazing and I already use it all the time - what I resent is that the grifters who last week posed as Web3/Metaverse consultants are now directly undermining professionals of all stripes with this, because they want to pay less for our services.

"i MaDe ThIs In TeN mInUtEs WiTh ChAt GpT a FrEeLaNcEr QuOtEd Me A wEeK" - ok then, go and deploy that "serverless function" it just wrote you to a live env. What's that, you don't trust yourself to do it? You don't know what a live env even is?

No, it's not the tech, it's the parasitic industry that sprung up around it, as happens with all tech.

@hjk101 all languages are great, all languages are shit. I don't really mind any off the bat, the problems arise when someone has written anything in any of them. JS and PHP encourage different types of technical debt, but both are fine provided nobody writes anything in them.

@daniel-wu I figured it'd bundle chromium (and I guess node makes sense) but damn, that's still a lot bigger than I'd expect it to be, and the incremental thing is insane. I wonder if this is just the way now, or we'll ever look back on this era as the age of bloat. I never fail to feel exasperated as another npm i eats up half a gig of my HD with mostly unused shit.

@thebiochemic right. If you're inheriting a codebase, it's likely going to be a flavour of shit.

@daniel-wu not used electron beyond tinkering years ago, is that the project folder size or the actual executable?

There never seemed like a grand plan for it, at the time I recall Facebook getting lots of really, really bad press, even by their standards. Every week there was another whistleblower, another scandal, from depressed teens to fake news to genocide (https://tinyurl.com/474dx9bb), then all of a sudden this big announcement of...not much, really. A sinister video of Zuck sounding like an eight year old describing the computer game they're going to make, which will do literally everything imaginable, with nothing much to back it up.

Credit to him though, if credit is the word: it did get the fifth-wheels of tech (who have mostly since updated their LinkedIn titles to 'AI expert') talking a lot of crap about the Metaverse, and a lot less sense about how awful his company were.

I could be wrong, but the whole thing seemed like a dead cat to me. 2021 had this *and* NFTs, it truly was the year of the Tech Grifter.

@fckIE Figure it's from this:

https://thestreet.com/technology/...

@PaperTrail this is spot on. The only people who are remembered for more than killing themselves tend to have killed other people as well - it's unlikely that anyone else has done much to outshine 'suicide' in terms of noteworthiness, so that's what they're remembered for.

Someone I knew killed themselves a few years back. He is, I won't say hated, but not remembered fondly by those closest to him, because he caused so much hurt, caused people to ask questions that only he could answer - could I have helped? did I make it worse? what made him do it? - and now never can.

Those unanswered questions, those scars, will likely never heal for them. That is what they carry with them for his memory.

I rarely do backend but give me Node over a PHP haystack any day - even then, the language is rarely the issue with a shonky codebase, just a convenient distraction from shitty code.

In a country like the UK, where drinking holes are often only a misheard comment away from a pub-wide fight breaking out, gay bars/pubs are a good bet for a good night. Nobody actually cares if you're not gay, if you get hit on, it's flattering, and crucially, the bouncers aren't there to get a sly blow or two in when a fight breaks out, but to weed out the pricks who cause them in the first place.

@Oktokolo fully expected this to be from him, still not entirely convinced that it isn't.

I have noticed in close to two decades doing this shit that the neckbeard contingent of engineering teams has dropped right off - and to be honest, I miss it. Rather have someone rolling their eyes at me because I don't play Magic than some "ninja" on an electric skateboard who is happy to do unpaid work in the evenings for a pat on the back.

Otherwise, you're right. The most important skill I've had in all my time on the job is that I'm not bad at making people laugh. Coding skills count for a lot but if you want the 'weird genius' niche you have to be likeable, or at least so oblivious that others can make fun of you quite openly.

@jassole let's not get into things you can't realise, daresay there isn't enough internet.

@jassole night night cupcake. Hope tomorrow goes better than today did. Doesn't seem too high a bar.

@jassole alright mate, I'm going to bed now, the missus is giving me earhole. Try to imagine that.

@jassole they do, this has been a fun discussion, even with some weirdo trying to derail it. Go watch a Sargon video and wish you were American.

@jassole lol "virtue signalling", what is this, the BTL of a 2016 Paul Joseph Watson video?

Man, I feel sorry for you, every six months you come back here and try to fit in but you can't help yourself. Try being less of an obnoxious, bitter plonker and you might find this quite a rewarding community. Literally nobody here gives a fuck about your photocopied opinions.

@jassole dude nobody likes your whiny edgelord shit here, sorry that you got roasted on your post but it happens every time you do so - talk about tech or fuck off. This is devrant, not r/incelchat.

@Demolishun and bald heads, and one droopy eye, and legit shell enterprises...now you mention it, the similarities are too uncanny.