@BordedDev which providers are you guys using?

something like openrouter/groq or baremetal?

Yes, fellow human, I also am a flesh and blood human, with a normal amount of appendages and eye sockets

Yes, fellow human, I also am a flesh and blood human, with a normal amount of appendages and eye sockets

@retoor that's the kind of data I don't know how to get for my use case.

@12bitfloat upgrading is not an option, my pc is just too old, I'll have to upgrade the whole thing

@12bitfloat also, for some reason specifically here the m4 is slighty cheaper than the RTX 5090,

I have to keep to local vendor due to warranty (super important for me) and taxes (which are many and probably why the RTX is so expensive here)

@retoor Right now I'm thinking mostly of using it for Coding with tools like SST/OpenCode and Cline with models medium/smaller models like QwenCoder 30b and DevMistral etc

Maybe using local models as a testbed for future LLM enabled applications before going online.

imagine a local AI enabled development machine.

Also there is the economics/politics of it, while the hardware is (obscenelly) expensive out here, it's something you own.

While I don't think I'll get rid of APIs/Subscriptions I don't have any hope they will become cheaper, so it's nice to have options.

@afaIk two things mostly, having the ability to play and learn locally is a great plus since it's an (very needed) upgrade

and depending on what I'm doing cloud services get incredibly expensive for me due to exchange rates, yes the computer would be expensive, but it's there no matter what.

Still this is a good question, maybe testing some 30b models on groq to test the cost before making any purchase

I'll probably wait till M5 gets released tough

@djsumdog mostly I want to try the coding models, but would be general lab stuff really,

a friend showed qwen coder running on a 24gb macbook pro I was impressed with the result

My main hangup with going nvidia is the setup would cost more for less total LLM usable ram, for the price of a single 5090 32gb , I can buy an M4 mini pro with 64gb unified ram (at least here in the jungle)

I understand it's not a replacement for claude/codex tho

this is a triumph

Talk about reality, it's what people care.

I honestly have no idea how the market is in the us (suposedly since you talked about dollars)

pff, you store the password? I just throw it away, I only store the length, then only check the size of the password and the username client side.

But I always add a null filled row called password, that way if the password gets leaked by hackers they will be confused and give up

@whimsical let's add a NFSW tag to that url lol

@D-4got10-01 thinking about it now, the sad part is that they really were clueless... they really though everything in tech was free.

that idea essentially made them market their product (a b2b two way marketplace ) as a freemium product...

they thought they had traction, but they really just burned lots of money for no return.

for a second there I though you are fredie and the company was Mistery Incorporated

websockets keep disconnecting for me :/

@jonathands

http://localhost:8080/

Quick, before the admins discover us!

don't worry I'll vibecode some stuff with Lovable and GLM ,BRB

@IHateForALiving don't worry he'll try to fill that void by overworking people

@IHateForALiving don't worry he'll try to fill that void by overworking people

comes with old age

@Lensflare yes pressure can be an issue, but they are used mostly because they are much cheaper than installing gas heating, due to infrastrucure costs... most people are used to them, Gas heating is considered something for hotels, in very specific places people use them, mostly upper class appartments and house holds

@whimsical I'm actually the second child, my brother was jonathan... my parents were nintendo addicts

@SidTheITGuy HaHa that's a first, it's literallty my name :(

@Grumm you "cheated" in math by learning programming?

I have told this stories to some people outside Brazil and I could tell they were thinking I was lying... Years later I realized why:

When I tell this random piece of story, In my head everyone knows I'm talking about an eletric shower, but plenty of people not only don't associate showers with electricity but are terrified of the suicide showers of doom

The funny bit is, the only thing a suicide shower killed in my life were my Age of Empire 2 hame sessions

I hope it slows down again, I love the nostalgia of making believe I was still on may 56k fax/model

I also became a dev because I was interested in game development, and ended up in webdev

my first code was a DOS based pong game I copied from a tutorial

@JsonBoa " arranged married " please tell us more?

we are non-religious so , when we moved togheter? or a 4 months later, since that's the law here