We are already in the Windows 11 era but they still didn't fix that thing about choosing "update and shut down" and it restarts instead.

Yup, happens 50% of the time since Windows 10!
A nice display of the incompetence of MS and many fucks they give about their customers.

MS Dev: We have this bug in Windows since Windows 10 and it’s still not fixed in Windows 11!

MS Executive: Yeah, so?

MS Dev: Well we should probably try to fix it.

MS Executive: Does it cost us money to keep it broken?

MS Dev: Well, no but…

MS Executive: Will it make us more money when we fix it?

MS Dev: Not exactly, but…

MS Executive: Then why the fuck are we talking about it? Piss off!

I'm fairly certain a report about that exists in their bugtracker... w/ the lowest priority possible && maybe a comment similar to: 'Just so we have a record of it, but don't care about a fix for this one.'.

/jk... maybe.

@Lensflare That sounds like a very likely conversation.

Is it possible that (one of the) update(s) require(s) a restart regardless of the option chosen?

@asgs it's very possible, but sometimes, after restart, it forgets that user originally chose to shut down. They shouldhave remembered it as a 'flag', they should eventually shut down after a restart or two.

Yeah completely gave up on that since Windows 7.

Windows 8 even caused 40 min longer downtime because I could not use my laptop during an incident. That was the reverse of this problem with the big updates (basically a full reinstall of the OS). I selected install and shutdown. It did shutdown but only did the prep for the update. So the actual upgrade was happening during the next boot🤦

From what I read up about it, it's what @asgs said. The problem that after the restart it clears the flag for shutdown because they think the best default is to restart instead of shutdown...

@daniel-wu except "sometimes" is actually close to 50%.

@Lensflare That's a bit unrealistic.

In a big grown-up company like MS, the dev would have to go through at least two committees to talk to the executive.

@donkulator yeah, I know. Big companies are explicitly structured in such a way that the peasants at the low levels (devs) can never directly talk to those in higher levels.

In the company that I work for, when the project that I was working in for 4 years got cancelled, me and the other devs of course wanted answers. But it was literally impossible to get them. The higher ups have decided. You don’t have a say in it. And you don’t even have the right to ask them why.
We got a tiny little bit of info through a chain of connections, but that was it.

I’m convinced that at MS it’s much worse than that.

Microsoft's internal bureaucracy must produce about 1TB of .pptx files every day, and yet they haven't got round to making powerpoint less of a pain in the arse to use.

Although, given that some of their mobile apps are (quite sensibly) built with react native rather than MAUI, I wouldn't be surprised if all their management slide decks are done in keynote.

@donkulator You forgot about their desktop apps made with electron ;P

@donkulator @BordedDev that’s the funniest shit ever!

They keep releasing their new UI dev tech every couple of years and don’t use any of it themselves. No wonder it’s dogshit.

@Lensflare Yeah they don't dog food they dog shit ;P

@BordedDev I don’t want to change the topic but Apple dog foods almost everything.
Except for their web services. And it shows.

@Lensflare If only 'ol apple boy was alive, he'd have thrown the little uneaten crumbs into the fishbowl :D

Push the button for a few seconds and your PC is turned off 👍
It also has the benefit of avoiding the Windows updates breaking your PC 👍

@Tounai Right after deleting system32 right XD (windows installs some updates, or parts without the need to shut down and will then force it at next boot or just brick something, don't need to ask how I know ;P)