What do you think about the claim that 'AI is about to make obsolete programmers'?

Try to use it for anything semi-difficult and you'll know what we all think.

Sidenote:

I've been trying to use chatgpt to help me optimize a cuda kernel for the past two days, and the only think it achieved is make me explain to IT why all of it's improvements are moot or outright wrong...

Essentially it worked as a rubby ducky at best, which is valuable, but not a replacement

@Hazarth Try claude

bullshit. marketing bullshit

Replace code monkeys? Sure.
Replace software engineers? No fucking way.

I don't care I'll just grow weed

@Hazarth What @BordedDev says, claude OPUS is not a joke. It generated this for example. With favouriting, starring, playlist, tags.. The changes that i had to do were VERY minimal.

@Lensflare I like that, I'm going to use that in the future as a summary

@retoor, @BordedDev

Im gonna try Claude, but god protect you if it also sucks balls. :)

@Hazarth select opus and reasoning. The code does not have programming errors in general. But also Claude comes with a downside, limited usage and context window.

@retoor I mean, I'm not going to pay for a month of something I'm going to test once.

sticking with the free option, which btw is not much better than ChatGPT tbh, didn't help. I solved the issue myself in the end again. Turns out it was an issue in my debugging assumptions and previous computations, but it didn't catch it, even though it calculated tons of numbers for me, it never even considered that some of the values I provided were suspicious and mostly agreed with my obeservations (sycophancy is a massive issue for all LLMs, probably unsolvable since it comes from the alignment training and shitty user-centric data)

@retoor See, the thing is, I have very specific issues, usually with very low level code and usually trying to test novel algorithms or implement interesting papers... So LLMs usually have very little useful insight for me.

It's great if you tell it "generate the same website template that you've already seen a billion times when scraping the web"

but for anything actually interesting, it's a rubber ducky at best. Sometimes it generates some interesting insights or approaches I didn't know about previously and can catch obvious coding mistakes and edge cases... but it's not really capable of generating novel solutions unless you hold it's hand... And at that point I'm the one providing the detailed spec and design already, it just converts it to subpar, but usually functional code...

which is I'm pretty sure it can't actually replace an engineer at any step of the solution creating process. It can replace code monkeys, but not engineers

don't care

average human dumb

ones who think they know shit and can't take an alternative point of view due to their cringe arrogance doubly dumb

@jestdotty That and once enough of them believe it that now becomes the truth whether it's factual or not

@jestdotty

"alternative point of view" being some idiotic ideas like flat earth, young earth creationism, electric universe, etc.

No, some ideas are actually pretty dumb.

The irony of those idiots looking down on sane people and saying "average human dumb".

I use my work chaptgpt account to make shit like this:

@YourMom nice one.
How do you find this?

@Lensflare I mean I never advocated for the first two but the latter makes more sense than the physics they teach in school so idk why you're so hostile to it instead of just debating some aspect of it or something

@jestdotty those were just placeholders for dumb "theories" that have been debunked countless times by actual science.

The stuff that you believe in is probably even dumber but you refuse to tell is about it.

Electric universe has been debunked. I don‘t need to discuss or debate this with you. Read some scientific papers or watch some scientific youtube channels or documentaries on tv if you really want to learn something about it.

I am so hostile to it because people like you keep claiming that people who actually know what they are talking about are dumb because they don’t accept those horseshit "theories".

If some nobody comes up with some crazy moronic theory of how something works when they are on a LSD trip and it contradicts stuff that is established in the scientific world and stuff that has been tested millions of times so that it would be insane to doubt that it‘s right, then why should any real scientist take this seriously?

@jestdotty you can believe whatever you like but don’t be surprised when people call you out for that when you insult those who don‘t share your believes.

And I called you out for doing exactly that.

@jestdotty

> the latter makes more sense than the physics they teach in school

You know that the actual universe that we live in doesn’t care about what makes sense to you specifically?

In science we keep ideas which are are verifiably correct.
"Doesn't make sense to me" is not a criterion for truth. Especially if you are not an expert in that field.

We teach this stuff at school because that is what is verifiably correct and so that people don’t need to rely on their intuition.

You think the modern world is build on intuition? Everything, from architecture to high tech works because it is scientifically verified. It gives us more than enough confidence that it‘s at least not wrong (but may be incomplete)

If our understanding of the universe was so wrong that it would allow any of your theories to be correct, we wouldnt be able to have this conversion on the internet.

It is one thing to be so rigid in your beliefs that you cannot see the forest for the trees. This leads to idiocy and undeserved self righteousness. Being so inflexible is exactly what led to the harassment of Galileo.

Look at Pons and Fleischman. They were attacked by that retard physicist in the wheelchair in the 90s. Now NASA 30 years later is doing some of the same science as if they invented it.

Then there is Shoemaker. Who hypothesized that a lot of the craters we see are in fact impacts. Not shocking now, but at the time the entrenched scientists did not believe it. Despite the years he spent researching this. Then when the large objects hit Jupiter he got to put his name on the very thing that showed his theories to be correct. Some scientists die before such verification.

The thing holding science back is not lack of better ideas, but old idiots entrenched in universities that would do the world a service by dying sooner.

@Lensflare huh you're claiming I refuse to tell you about what I believe in? I don't know if I heard that right but that can't be right

@Lensflare hmm I think I sent a link to the electric theory video by some physicist at a conference

I don't wanna go through clickbait YouTube videos. if the title says "debunked" and the guy sounds angry and arrogant doesn't mean his logic is sound

@Lensflare hmm has there been anything that's been scientifically studied (ei, hypothesis, data collection, peer review, published and accepted by institutional journals -- which is your definition of scientific btw because that's society's but not mine) literally millions of times? @_@ lmao

why you gotta speak like that. not very scientific. makes for poor logical discussions, ruins scientific habit thoughts. your conscious thoughts inform your unconscious ones so being hyperbolic like that is gonna offset your unconscious heuristic system and give you cognitive biases in unintended matters

@Lensflare I don't remember insulting people for not holding the same beliefs as me. that doesn't even sound like me lol

@Lensflare haha is this a joke. you claim I can't handle others' beliefs than you make a post saying you simply don't like that I have beliefs

I don't know what to even say. I kinda don't wanna laugh cuz it might be mean and I don't mean to mock

@Lensflare huh you're against intuition? that's very weird...

all the original scientific minds in history were HUGE on intuition. they likened science to being only possible DUE to intuition

actually I heard whispers of this in the scientific community before. if you take intuition out of it this might explain why everything has grinded to a halt... you can't make progress without intuition. and yes over time if we demean intuition all the technology we had discovered (through intuition, in the time before we pummeled intuition out of the minds of our "smart" peoples that made all that progress if you will) we will lose our technology, yes

@jestdotty here we go again, picking out individual bits of what I said and misrepresenting them out of context while ignoring the other bits.
I won't engage any further because it makes me sick and you are beyond helping anyway.

@Lensflare ok well you wrote a lot and it didn't fit a coherent picture to me