“Fullstack dev continues to unleash his terror.”

We were in a meeting the other day discussing how we can integrate our React component with other existing systems easily — other React apps, Ionic, Angular, Vue and vanilla HTML.

All of a sudden, he opens his mouth.

Fullstack dev: So the thing is... it’s like...ummm... (he always starts after with these words. Always) since Ionic and Vue are both “angular-based”. It shouldn’t be a problem.

Me: excuse me! What do you mean vue is “angular-based”? What’s vue gotta do with angular?

Fullstack dev: You need angular installed to run vue apps and you have data binding in vue and in angular.

Me: (fuck me dead) I don’t know what that means, but I know what the Rock is cookin’. (My exact words in the meeting)

They flew him in from India and they keep extending his stay. He’s been working on the project for 2+ years now.

More to come!

!rant

I had to stop developing hybrid android applications with Ionic and start developing native.. I was given 1 week to present an app or they would hire an external developer.. I knew nothing about Java or Android development and in 4 days I already have a working, hardware scanner integrated, API calling, camera picture taking,.. Application! My brain hurts and I'm feeling like a zombie, but hey.. I'm proud of myself! :D

Found this aesthetic gem in an ionic project which I have to enhance now 👌🏻

JS gets a lot of hate lately.

The last month I was developing a mobile app that just showed information. I have to say ionic2 was quite good for it. Sure it's not native but I think it's a good thing for some apps

I fucking hate ionic
I fucking hate ionic
I fucking hate ionic
I fucking hate ionic

it works!!
I still fucking hate ionic -.-

Just published first iOS app for client at apple store. 😎🙏🏼

“Fullstack dev continues to be consistent”

We’d an enhancement request where we needed to support Ionic apps. Our manager didn’t know anything about Ionic so she asks us what it was instead of asking Google.

Manager: so what’s this Ionic thingy?

Me: Ionic issss.... (gets interrupted by Fullstack dev)

Fullstack dev: so the thing is ... it’s like... (consistent with his opening lines as always) it’s a third party plugin which converts react app and html pages to native code.

Me: (thinking of sacrificing him at the altar of Lucifer)

Manager: Nice!

More to come.

Task: A mobile Application in less than an hour

- Headphones [x]
- Zone Music [x]
- Fan [x]
- Linux [x]
- VSCode [x]
- Terminal [x]

Now, let's get into the zone

Job title: Native Mobile Developer

Job Description: ionic, Angular js, Cordova.

🤷

"Build high fidelity apps" such as the ionic website...

Just an ionic app that I need to work on.
In the former dev defense, it was meant for mobile while I'm running it on Iridium on macOS, don't know if that counts

Anyways send help ASAP!

How to become a depressed developer:
1. Work with ionic v1
2. Suicide (profit)

So I just read about Tim Sneath leaving MS to join Google, and now I hate my life :)
We have those tools for cross platform apps
1. Xamarin
2. React Native
3. Flutter (dart)
4. Ionic
5. ??? (am I still missing something?)

FOR FUCK SAKE not only I had to learn three programming languages to be able to do mobile apps now I need to learn JS shit for mobile development cuz obviously this is the "trend" of the fucked up future and I'm sure people will keep on coming up with shitty frameworks and some random fucked up customer will request to use that shitty framework ...

Sorry had to get it out of my system :)

Boss: our team in El Salvador is having problems with the app. Look at the email I forwarded you.

Me: oh yes. They are running the wrong ionic commands they need to run these commands.

Boss: okay, and that will fix everything?

Me:...Let's just have them enter the right commands...we can go from there.

If it’s not native, it’s trash.

In my opinion flutter is the best for cross platform mobile applications

Better than ionic, nativescript and xamarin for now

Making a small update to an ionic app then spending a whole day trying to figure out why a button doesn't work. Tried everything to fix it and got no error messages.

Finally discovered it was because the button was inside a label and not a div.

Yeah, fun times.

Damn Apple. These stupid certificates. I only want to send notifications. On Android I have to add one API key. And you Apple? Struggeling to get ionic push working for 6 hours...

It's 2:10 AM on a Friday night.
Well played "cordova ionic".
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Fuck you too :'(

Why do job descriptions for ONE developer position, list down ALL the known programming languages, all the web technologies and frameworks available? From java kotlin swift php js jquery node to ionic angular laravel python and what not. Wtf? And this is not one, this is about 70 percent of the job descriptions I see these days!!

Fml... you keep getting the weekly discussions right on point.

I started with the last guys right out of university... just out of Hospital.

With a brand new degree and a Crohn’s diagnosis I stepped into the first place I found hiring. They were good guys, after a junior dev... to get stuck in their muck.

I did! I nailed project after project, tricky development after tricky development. I spent 5 years with them and over those years things changed.

They had a mass cull... the original idea was to get rid of the useless middle managers, the ones managing other managers being managed by another manager for no real reason.... the ones that do fuck all with their day.

But the fucking idiots upstairs put the job of working out the cull in the shitty middle managers hands.

So, instead, they cut the titles senior, junior and everything in between. Everyone was just a thing, no senior things, no junior things. Just things.

Once they’d done that they said “we’ll we have this many things, they’re all the same, let’s get rid of the things with the highest pay checks because the other things can do it just as well for less money”...

And that’s how they cut 50% of their senior techs.

I was one of the ones left behind but the damage became obvious quick. The middle managers barked out orders at people who couldn’t complete them, and everything went to shit.

My team was rebranded twice in as many years... an obvious ploy for funding, but the cost of the team fluctuated like hell because contractors had to fill the senior positions at 3 times the cost.

Then the managers started barking out Self contradictory orders. Do this, but this way...

This would work, but not that way... try explaining that to a group of non-technical, useless as fuck middle managers. It took months, and shit flows downstream so we got the bulk of the hassle for it.

Then my boy Morpheus, got a warning... they threatened his contract for saying “this will work, but not that way”.

He kept the contract, and the manager giving him the warning said he didn’t think he should... but he, and all the middle fuckwits don’t have the balls to stand up against nonsense.

That was the breaking point for me, I handed in my notice and told them a month was what they could have.

I didn’t have a position or an idea of where to go, a few long-standing offers as back up in a pinch but not the perfect job.

On the Thursday I decided I was done, I let my manager know. Then I boshed the fuck out of my CV and updated my profiles.

My phone started ringing off the hook, a senior NG2/MEAN/Ionic dev on the market is like candy to recruiters. They’re lovely too.

I went to a few interviews that were okay but not great. Then a company got in touch... one that I immediately recognised as an IT book publisher. They said they were looking for NG/NG2 devs, senior. winner! Set up the interview.

So I’d spent the weekend with the missus, about an hour away from mine and 2 from the interview. I hadn’t planned on staying there but at 6ish she looked over at me and said “do you have to go” <- imagine that with puppy dog eyes from a gorgeous Slovenian lass.

I folded quicker than a shitty pancake toss.

We spent the night together but that meant I had to be up at 6, to go back to mine, iron my interview clothes and make it to the train to manage the interview. Fuck. I did it, but I was at the interview wired on caffeine and struggling to be awake and coherent. I still managed, that’s what I do, I make do and try to do well regardless of the situation.

That comes from being ill btw, when you’re dealt a shitty hand you learn to play it well.

They were good guys, the heads all knew what they were on about, not the middle management bs I was used to.

They demoed me live with an ng1 test, which was awesome as hell to play with.

We chatted, friendly and cool guys! I loved the place.

The end of the week they got me in for second round. Ng2 and competence test, again I went for it!

Positive feedback and a “we’ll get back to you ASAP, should be by Tuesday”...

Tuesday was the Tuesday before the Friday I was due to leave the old company... I was cutting it close.

On the Monday the offers started rolling in, a few C# ASP MVC positions, cool but I was holding out for the guys I’d interviewed with.

Then Tuesday comes around, I’m nervous as fuck but it’s okay because I knew regardless I can pay the rent in December with one of the offers.

Then said yes!

The thing that seemed most important in the process was my ability to talk to any fucker. If you’re coming up to interview, talk to everyone, the grocer, your barista, the binmen, anyone. Practice that skill above all others.

I start tomorrow morning! I can’t wait.

Final thought: middle managers are taints.

True story
Was free at work so applied for a stretch project.
PM: you know mobile dev?
Me: yes, built a few apps
PM: good, we have an old app we want you to take the JAR change everything but the look of it and make it a new hybrid app with the required features.
Me: *kill me please*
PM: and use WordPress as the server.
Me: ...........

Accepted the challenge. Did the entire app in ionic and build a server for it with SpringBoot. Client loves it PM is still doesn't know😂

1. No more fucked up solutions like: React Native, Flutter, Xamarine, Phonegap, Ionic
2. Make XCode vanish and put a better IDE instead of it
3. Keep "the next bill gates" away from me, those who keep on saying: I have an idea its like Facebook but different

First things first:
HI devRant. This is my first post, I've been a observer for the most by now but I'm so glad I found this network (by searching for other people who hate ionic, angular, react)

Question:
What is it about Linux, that any developer seems to love?
I'm a IT student in Germany and I grew up with windows. I know what it's doing, I'm working quite fast on it and it just runs well.
But inehrn I look around at the university the guys who really know what they're doing with their code are using Linux only. There's not even one of them who would consider windows.
I couldn't really find a satisfying answer for that.

when you attend too many talks and conferences and run out of room.

Fuck Ionic!
Fuck Hybrid Apps!

I was just asked to explore Ionic Framework any advise?
Please tell me I will not face hell doing an ionic app :(

I started reading docs and the word Cordova appears to be used a lot, I had a really bad experience with Cordova + PhoneGap, am I in trouble? am I going to regret life?

I gave my project manager a prototype of the ocr app we're developing to play with, just for fun. The next morning, I enter the office to see this along with a well structure spreadsheet with some 40 columns.

Never underestimate the seriousness of a project manager.

aaah, memories. When I discovered github while doing my school project. Even my lecturer had no idea about, he thought I made it as part of my project 😂 Project was an Ionic app connected to Arduino for home automation. straight As I got... straight As.

Being asked to do some really technical jobs in CSS, or have to re learn a new version of Ionic or Angular...

Dealing with React Native, and Ionic 😑

So, a company recruted me as an hybrid developer (ionic), they affected me to the mobile team where all they talk about there is either Java or ObjC ... I feel "alone" there, being the only one who knows JS and web techs in general, i sometimes join the web team at lunch time so we can talk in "commun" knowledge in JS frameworks and stuff i know :v

Today i spent one hour and half trying to understand why my ajax request was returning "undefined" instead of a json object. It turns out i had just to restart ionic because of some bug in the ts transpiler.

Fuck you typescript.

Just posting the rant a team mate gave today after nothing worked:

Fuck ionic... fuck Karma... fuck webstorm and fuck this company.

After he said it he went home.
I could totally understand him because I felt the same way

Dev1 : hey dude, I am not able to get the slider right like the one in the IMG they've created on WordPress, we need to show this to the client today. Can you help?

Dev2 (short for devil) :
*Tries*
*Sighs*
*Opens up expected screen slider IMG*
*Ctrl + Alt + Printscrn*
*opens Paint ---> crop --> save*
*Inside html, <img src="*above url">*

Done buddy, you owe me one.

I’ve got to build an app in 3 weeks that handles basic image editing and async requests. It’s gotta support both iOS and Android.

It’s also gotta scan barcodes.

What should I use?

Cordova?
Cordova+ionic?
Titanium?
Xamarin?
Dart/flutter?
Try and cram it through in native java/Kotlin and swift?
Something I’m missing?

VB: Array index starts at 1.

Haha no, I joke. I think Ionic is worse.

I LOVE NODEJS
I LOVE ANGULAR
I LOVE WRITING MY OWN FRAMEWORKS
I LOVE ELECTRON
I LOVE IONIC
I DONT CARE OF APPS SCALABILITY
I HATE HYPSTERS !!!

6 hours to make my Ionic cordova app build with native google maps plugin without a problem.

Deploy on my cell.

Not compatible with android 4.4.4.

FUCK YOU SONY! RELEASE A FUCKING UPGRADE TO THIS FUCKING PHONE ALREADY. FUCK YOU XPERIA T3

I am really really regretting learning Ionic Framework as my first JavaScript Framework

Now suck it up and learn React...

Ionic 1
For ionic push notification which is best
(1) Onesignal push notification
(2) Cordova plugin push notification
.?

Do you plan to develop a mobile app which works cross platform? DONT USE IONIC(2). JUST DONT. Thank me later. Have a look at react native (not perfect but much better)

React native, Xamarin, NativeScript, Ionic, Phonegap

Which one ffs?

Want to test your how noisy your PC can be?

Run Computta, Android Studio, Node.js (ionic/Cordova) simultaneously.

My Dell PC always sound like a tractor when I do this.

ionic framework is super buggy

I feel bad for a college:
She's an android developer, and i used to do ionic and now i moved to web.
Our manager asked her to learn ionic for some project and let me help her arround, i did, and she started working on that project, the result was bad for the fact that js itself is now to her, as for angular/ionic, and lets not talk about the cordova shit .. The problem is that he's blaming her and letting her work for extra hours to fix the issues .. I tried my best to help her, but i'm still feeling bad for her, thats not her fault that her manager let her jump into some shitty situation using some framework (language even) thats far from her knowledge.

I seriously don't fucking understand those people who like programming iDevices.

I mean, in my personal experience you have:
- iPhone not connecting to a WiFi (while working on a network project)
- Mac, while using multiple desktops on 2 monitors: I have the 3rd desktop active on the 2nd monitor, search for terminal to open it and it opens in the 1st desktop of the first monitor
- while making an app (ionic or unity), is about 5 to 15 times slower compared to the same android apps (same exact code, but gotta go throught XCode, y'know?)
- takes YEARS to download XCode, but is necessary to even just build for lastest iPhones updated
- takes years to upload to AppStore and when it's done it just tells you "oh bitch, you know what? you forgot that fucking icon for tablets, how about you rebuild it all? and NO, you have to change the build number or I won't accept it"
- App quality was so pedantic on the first publish but then always fucks it up at the second upload, like "hey we checked it the first time, now we can just 100% trust it works and doesn't use anything scammy"
- code+compiled app for iOS is like 1GB while android vode+build is like 100MB WTF do you even put in those 900MB? random trash? WHY?
- I'm not even gonna get into the forums or the amount of money you have to pay for both product and services
- MacOS works ALMOST like Linux, but takes all the worst from both windows and linux to give you the worst performance with the best graphics, but it looks cool, so doesn't matter

A good world would be a world where Apple goes bankrupt after Steve Jobs died

35 million characters in my project already. It is a blank ionic 2 template.

Finally no more xcode at work :D
But now I have to work with React Native, still a better thing to work with than Ionic 1 + Angular .-.

Ionic
React Native
Mobile Angular
Xamarin
Onsen UI
Flutter
jQuery Mobile
Corona SDK
PhoneGap
Intel SDK
Kotlin Mobile...

I'm tired of this piece of shit!
Why are we hitting a nail with chainsaws?
If the hardware/os companies cannot come together to accept a single language, they can all go fuck themselves!!!

It's been a while DevRant!

Straight back into it with a rant that no doubt many of us have experienced.

I've been in my current job for a year and a half & accepted the role on lower pay than I normally would as it's in my home town, and jobs in development are scarce.

My background is in Full Stack Development & have a wealth of AWS experience, secure SaaS stacks etc.

My current role is a PHP Systems Developer, a step down from a senior role I was in, but a much bigger company, closer to home, with seemingly a lot more career progression.

My job role/descriptions states the following as desired:

PHP, T-SQL, MySQL, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Jquery, XML

I am also well versed in various JS frameworks, PHP Frameworks, JAVA, C# as well as other things such as:

Xamarin, Unity3D, Vue, React, Ionic, S3, Cognito, ECS, EBS, EC2, RDS, DynamoDB etc etc.

A couple of months in, I took on all of the external web sites/apps, which historically sit with our Marketing department.

This was all over the place, and I brought it into some sort of control. The previous marketing developer hadn't left and AWS access key, so our GitLabs instance was buggered... that's one example of many many many that I had to work out and piece together, above and beyond my job role.

Done with a smile.

Did a handover to the new Marketing Dev, who still avoid certain work, meaning it gets put onto me. I have had a many a conversation with my line manager about how this is above and beyond what I was hired for and he agrees.

For the last 9 months, I have been working on a JAVA application with ML on the back end, completely separate from what the colleagues in my team do daily (tickets, reports, BI, MI etc.) and in a multi-threaded languages doing much more complicated work.

This is a prototype, been in development for 2 years before I go my hands on it. I needed to redo the entire UI, as well as add in soo many new features it was untrue (in 2 years there was no proper requirements gathering).

I was tasked initially with optimising the original code which utilised a single model & controller :o then after the first discussion with the product owner, it was clear they wanted a lot more features adding in, and that no requirement gathering had every been done effectively.

Throughout the last 9 month, arbitrary deadlines have been set, and I have pulled out all the stops, often doing work in my own time without compensation to meet deadlines set by our director (who is under the C-Suite, CEO, CTO etc.)

During this time, it became apparent that they want to take this product to market, and make it as a SaaS solution, so, given my experience, I was excited for this, and have developed quite a robust but high level view of the infrastructure we need, the Lambda / serverless functions/services we would want to set up, how we would use an API gateway and Cognito with custom claims etc etc etc.

Tomorrow, I go to London to speak with a major cloud company (one of the big ones) to discuss potential approaches & ways to stream the data we require etc.

I love this type of work, however, it is 100% so far above my current job role, and the current level (junior/mid level PHP dev at best) of pay we are given is no where near suitable for what I am doing, and have been doing for all this time, proven, consistent work.

Every conversation I have had with my line manager he tells me how I'm his best employee and how he doesn't want to lose me, and how I am worth the pay rise, (carrot dangling maybe?).

Generally I do believe him, as I too have lived in the culture of this company and there is ALOT of technical debt. Especially so with our Director who has no technical background at all.

Appraisal/review time comes around, I put in a request for a pay rise, along with market rates, lots of details, rates sources from multiple places.

As well that, I also had a job offer, and I rejected it despite it being on a lot more money for the same role as my job description (I rejected due to certain things that didn't sit well with me during the interview).

I used this in my review, and stated I had already rejected it as this is where I want to be, but wanted to use this offer as part of my research for market rates for the role I am employed to do, not the one I am doing.

My pay rise, which was only a small one really (5k, we bring in millions) to bring me in line with what is more suitable for my skills in the job I was employed to do alone.

This was rejected due to a period of sickness, despite, having made up ALL that time without compensation as mentioned.

I'm now unsure what to do, as this was rejected by my director, after my line manager agreed it, before it got to the COO etc.

Even though he sits behind me, sees all the work I put in, creates the arbitrary deadlines that I do work without compensation for, because I was sick, I'm not allowed a pay rise (doctors notes etc supplied).

What would you do in this situation?

I wanna start learning mob app development. Which should i choose amongst these and why?
1) React Native
2) Ionic
3) ios native app development.

At the end my focus is to earn more from which ever the tech stack i choose.
Thanks!

Wish my teammates knew and used eslint / tslint in strict mode🤐

I actually only started programming a little less than two years ago. I entered my freshman year of college as a mathematics major, but as time went on I ended up enjoying coding in C++ much more than trying to work out partial equations.

I have since become fascinated with many aspects of computer science, mainly web development and systems programming (I discovered Linux and the command line only a year ago and I'm practically in love). I've since been working for a couple fairly new startups with duties from developing a mobile native app in AngularJS/Ionic to migrating content to new servers and developing custom themes on WordPress. I have deep, deep aspirations of eventually being employed by Google as a Senior Software Dev (although I'd definitely prefer working for a company that would allow 100% remote work 😁). I've even finally began developing my own projects, ranging from a URL shortening service to a basic online encyclopedia.

I wanna spend the rest of my life doing this shit. Hell, I hope I die at my computer.

Ionic cordova is the best thing I've discovered to this day. it makes everything seems so simple and the possibilities are freaking endless. FeelsGoodMan.png

Programming for iOS is pure pain.

Programming with ionic on a Safari debugger is still worse. It's a crime against humankind.

I regret the IE 6 debugger. Yes, I know what I'm saying

It takes ages to get visual studio with all required tools to generate windows build of an ionic project. Windows for dev(atleast for mobile web) is not at all smooth.
Hate Visual studio..... Load project takes its own time. Build takes ....never mind.

Conclusion:
Cross-Platform mobile development sucks.
I will spend more tie but deliver more elegant app

Worst was with ionic and ios. Havent really worked with either and got mac that wasnt updated in ages and also they didnt give charger. Dealing with sudos and not using sudos then trying to work with xcode and free licenses took me a good time until i got first successful build for iPad. Biggest time consuming mistake was that i had to logout of itunes before i could make another account. It only gave me error and said try again later. Made me furious but after i got setup working everything worked quite nicely. Loved the safari developer view.

Man im alt tabbing between

Php Laravel, Typescript ionic, Html design

for last 20hours ... No i havent slept

Neglecting the fact that i have autism from the equation,It Seems to me that im doing a lot of hardwork..

Can i call myself a full stack developer ???

Plz ... pretty plz....

IONICS DOCUMENTATION SUCKS A FUCKING BIG ONE!! Well done on a shit welcome to ionic experience cunts

Just spent the whole week trying to build an Ionic app for iOS. Of course, I don't have a Mac.

I should charge Apple for the enormous amount of time I lost because of their f***ing policy. Seriously guys ? We're in 2018.

Started working with React Native a week ago because of work, and I just hate it. I know it has better performance then, lets say Ionic, but holy shit its a torture for me to work in it. I never was, and will be a fan of React, so imagine working with it for 8 hours a day..

Dear, ionic

WebView is the worst idea ever.
make it native, bitch.
Look at React Native, they're doing it.

Not from a teammate, but using Ionic to create a banking app, I was about to have a heart attack seeing my brother forced to use it :|

Does the idea of people being able to see your source code when creating a hybrid app scare you guys?

Fuck ES/TS 😐

Been trying for hours now to get ionic 2 to work with either generators or async functions. Doesn't work because async for ES 5 is only supported with TS 2.1 which breaks the angular compiler. Also can't use generators (not supported for es5 at all by TS).

Also can't really change the ionic build process to just take es6 output instead of es5 and transpile because it's a convoluted mess in a separate node module instead of just a gulp file like with ionic 1.x.

Why is the JS ecosystem such a fucking mess?

After much consideration I've decided to learn and use react native over ionic/cordova as I'm going to rewrite most of my views from an existing Web project anyways (if I wanted to make it work with ionic)

I feel anxious and excited at the same time. Hopefully I made the right call.

Anyone here have good experiences switching from ionic to react native?

There are lots of Angular and React jobs here in my area. Very few Vue jobs here (like 1 to 5 maximum job posts I have seen). I'm a PHP dev and it seems most companies are shifting to full stack JS development (MERN, MEAN, NodeJS + Express JS, etc.) along with some mobile development (ionic, cordova, etc)

I have no choice but to study both Angular and React. Supply and demand.

But between Angular and React, I prefer Angular.

I hate it when cordova/ionic tutorials have only been tested in browser and fail to work on the device

8 months ago, me and my teammate developed an API and a web application for one of our client. The API was supposed to be consumed by mobile app which another team was working upon. Now my suggestion for the mobile team was to use something like ionic or react-native. This was purely to keep technical debt on lower side since hybrid apps don't deviate too far for both Android and iOS platforms. But mobile team went with the native apps and developed two separate apps which both have some differences.

The client didn't even use the iOS app since past 6 months. Now all of a sudden she reported several bugs and the person managing the mobile devs put that all on us. I tested some of the bugs and seems like the same feature is working on Android but not on iOS.
Came to know later that the iOS developer who was working on the app had resigned and left the company exactly 6 months ago. Right after the apps first launch. And since then mobile team hasn't put any replacement person for the project. That fucker was trying to buy some time by putting it all on us.
And now here I am, experimenting again with Flutter. So far it seems quite decent.

Day 3, still stuck with the same weird error message, Im using Ionic and I think I'll switch to React Native...

Heck yeah,
So an old Ionic 3 project wont work on the newest CLI.
I check around for the error, update some dependencies, sure enough it starts working again, all is great or so I thought.

Later something weird starts happening, upon pushing a new view on the navCtrl, the navParams are null on the next view.
I later find out that navCtrl is becoming navParams just on the first bit of the view loading, so I do a dirty fix just to keep working on the functionality from my browser, I know very well this will cause problems later on, this is just so I can keep working on functionality.

I finish all of the functionality and I'm ready to compile for android, I run my script, the dirty fix comes to bite my butt now.
I remove the dirty fix hoping for it to work just well on the apk.
Now gradle doesn't find ddmlib.jar, some 15 minutes of troubleshooting do nothing.

Fuck it, I'll just create a new project from the CLI and drag all the code there so that navParams work as expected.

Sorry Ionic, but the world is not our oyster when subtle changes in dependencies produce such unexpected behaviour, with some fucking view parameters!.

I'm looking forward to get done with all the current projects to jump back to native.

I was reading ionic native docs on the geolocation plugin 😂

My boss asked me and another one to make a webapp that uses socket.io as "api".
There are 2 client apps (one in ionic+react the other one just react) and the server code (nodeJS)

Now he started working on it too but he has no experience of nodeJS and no experience whatsoever on react and only heard of ionic.

on his first deploy nothing connected anymore.

But i gotta say I appreciate the fact he's trying to keep himself up to date with technologies we're using

FUCK YOU APPLE. I am trying to build an ionic app. Generating the certificates to fucking sign a DEVELOPER BUILD of an apple product is more pain than I thought possible. Does not help i dont own the apple computer i am trying to build on.

!rant

I've tried Ionic in the past, and put off development with it because I couldn't get it to be performant without crosswalk.

In 2015, React Native put an end to the 'Are hybrid apps viable?' argument. It had a much smaller compile size, large component library, and is very reactive.

Ionic recently released news on scaling back their tools to focus on core offerings. I can't help but feel they're flogging a dead horse.

I'm sure the Ionic team has very smart people on board. Can't they see they're about to be 'Parse-ed'?

Me and some friends are working on creating a food recipe app and webapp. Currently in Norwegian, but would it be worth the trouble of translating all content and the app itself?

Backend written in PHP/MySQL with Laravel and app written with Ionic Framework v1.

Well AI is made by some developer so why not just swing with the technology. When JavaScript Framework because famous (jQuery, Ionic, React) we started using them like an asshole. Similar way when AI takes over, let's switch to AI.

All I wish is that AI doesn't fuck my girlfriend/wife. I will implement very strict rules.

Hello everbody!

For college I'm doing a small research project. The goal of my research is give advice to web developers on using JavaScript frameworks to create mobile applications and help them decide which framework to use by comparing 3 popular frameworks. I decided to compare React Native, Ionic and NativeScript. I myself have only used React Native to build a mobile application. I would like to get some opinions from other developers on this matter. I want to compare the frameworks based on the following categories: developing time, performance, debugging an learning curve. Are there developers here who would be willing to write their experience with these frameworks? Or maybe some of you know a forum or other place where I can ask for some help:)

I worked for a month in an ionic app without having any idea about frontend develop cuz my boss needed it quick and now that its done he doesnt even tested it out

For the fucking love of God, a client is too lazy to adapt his CI Tools to support latest Ionic that he wants us to rewrite the WHOLE WEB APP in Angular1, just to support their legacy JBOSS + Maven build process. Fucking fortunately, no adjustments on the timeline.

If I only know the names of those lazy fucks, I'll put them on the Death Note.

So. I've been trying to get a web version of an ionic app up on heroku...
I'll let the git speak for itself.

P.S. I still didn't succeed

Ok the ionic datetime component horror ended. I got it working good enough but I'm not proud of my code. The whole thing is a giant hack parsing dates to and from strings, switching locales, setting months and days and using the month as a daypicker as this fucking component does not allow me display day names in it, only month names. Such a mess... at least now I can work on the stuff that matters.
Actually though about making this open source... I reconsidered.

React Native, Flutter or Ionic?

Is it just me or is Node a pain to set up? I'm trying to make an Ionic app and every time I've tried installing Node, all necessary packages, etc I always get errors.

I am just an Observer<ofTheUniverse>.....
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Civil war begins....
credits: @code_mouse

Urgh.. the amount of things you have to know as a developer.. it can get stressful and frustrating sometimes when (in-depth) technology knowledge is demanded from you (for instance, for a job position)..
It's like being a doctor, being a lifelong student.

A few examples of what I had to know during my career:
Java, .NET, Python, PHP, JavaScript/HTML5/CSS3, Sass/Less, Node.js, ReactJS, AngularJS, Vue.js, Cordova, Ionic, Android, design patterns, SOLID, databases (design, implementation, administration, both NoSQL and relational,..), deployment tools (Octopus, Jenkins,..), VCS, CI/CD, HTTP, networking, security (OAuth2, CORS, XSS, CSRF,..), algebra, algorithms, software testing, profiling, Linux, Unix, Windows, MS Office (advanced mail filtering,..), ITIL, IT Law (licensing and its implications when choosing a product, distribution right,..), server architecture,..

Sure yeah, I know, I've studied all that at university but.. it's been too long (almost a decade now). I have to revisit that knowledge.

I have last few months left out of graduation and i don't know what should i learn. There's so much things (web dev , ai/ml, blockchain, android , cloud, ,hybrid apps, gaming, ar/vr, data analysis, security,etc) and as a cs student, i feel i should be knowing them all.

In last 6 years ,

Techs that i liked or got success in :
java, Android,python, data analysis, hybrid apps(flutter)

Techs that i didn't liked or failed in : ai/ml, cloud computing , webdev(css/js) ,hybrid apps(react/angular/ionic/...)

Techs that i didn't tried : security, cryptography, blockchain, open cv , ar/vr, gaming

I am not bound by my likeness or success.

My failures was mainly because i didn't liked those techs and continued further in them. And my success comprises of just launching a few apps, passing in some certification or grabbing an internship opp because of those skills.

But if you think a particular skill is necessary to have as a cs professional then let me know. I just want to earn a lot of money and get out of this mess asap

Need to install android studio and sdk 24, but have to install sdk 25 first. Oh comcast is having a degradation in my area and im down to .5 mb/s. Its ok i didnt want to start learning ionic last night. Nooo i wanted to wait until after i get home today.

Oh yeah, something broke my windows install last night and i had to reformat so i got to install it twice after spending hours installing all the other things i need thanks to dsl speeds.

GG

Cuando eres pobre :c

Is AngularJS out to date ?
I just finished my first app with Ionic v1 and it worked perfectly as if want to but during my researchs I found that all the posts about AngularJS are a few years old.

We all know that node_modules is the heaviest folder in the whole universe, right?

Weel now that I'm starting to use ionic and cordova I get to use them for apps as well, not only websites!

Fuck my life, seriously

I fucking hate the person that created the ionic timepicker its such a fucking mess if you want to do anything advanced and it's so poorly documented that most of the time you just have to guess what you should do. Best part: this fucking component doesn't even use a Date Object it uses A FUCKING STRING that it parses, so I have to parse, unparse, parse, unparse. Who in their right mind thought this would be a good idea?!

What frustrated me the most was when I tried to use their min, max functionality. I used the component as a timepicker, so I ignored most of the Date Object and just initliazed them at 0. Afterwards set the hr, min, sec and did the same for the max value. Doesn't work... It just bugs out and I can only pick midnight of that day... Okay. I kid you not: tried for two hours to fix this shit. Console logged the crap out of that thing. Everything seemed right. Out of frustration I then just initlialized the max value like normal, so the date is the current date. AND SUDDENLY IT FUCKING WORKED. WHY?! FUCKING NOBODY KNOWS. WHO, WHY, WHAT?!

Just Sharing !!?!?

One of my friend was working in Android and he used to tell me at that time Cross Platform wouldn't work as native languages are the best.

Now he is working on flutter and he tell me React Native/ Ionic wouldn't work as in next year flutter will be on the top !!?!

I am doing an Ionic App for the Client. The client was responsible to provide me with API, so basically, I will just be pulling and showing things in the App.

Last week Friday, Client tried hard to put the blame on me for their API, idk why? Per them, I should have checked the API before doing the development. The way their API works it very confusing and it just making hell a lot of request. Well I tried explaining to them but fuck it anyways...

Hating Reactjs and ionic, and hating JavaScript! I need encouragement please 😖

have you ever created Hybrid app? which framework did you use?
OR
which framework is good to create hybrid app and easy to adapt?

What the fuck is the philosophy behind ionic and similar retarded frameworks?
To not to learn two or languages/ecosystems ?
You fucking deal with more in those "hybrid" shits: Ionic itself + Cordova + Angular + Android + iOS
I'd rather write the same code twice and just deal with Android + iOS

Are all other ""Hybrid"" and pseudo-native frameworks like this?

it looks angular 2/ionic/cordova will die once react native will release its v1. 0

Cross-platform open-source & free password manager.

Description:

Cross-platform mobile/desktop password manager application. No backend needed, private data will be encrypted and stored in Google Drive/One Drive/Dropbox etc...

I've used multiple applications over the years but they pricey (especially if you switch platforms) and most of them don't have full cross-platform support.

Also, I've made a POC app with Ionic a while ago, but I didn't like the hybrid app feel.

Tech stack:
Js/React Native

Life is to take decisions. Which u prefer
Google vs Shodan vs 🦆 🦆 go
Angular vs vue vs react vs other
Gnome vs unity vs KDE
Atom vs vscode vs sublime or other
iOS vs android vs other
Natives bs ionic vs react native vs xamarin vs flutter
Gmail iCloud or outlook or proton mail
Camel, pascal ,snake case
C# or Java or python
Sql or not sql
Debian , fedora ,linux mint or kali
Server side rendering or client side
Aws vs gcloud vs Azure vs ibm cloud
Firefox vs chrome vs safari
Free without privacy or ads or paid without ads or privacy
Nintendo vs pc vs ps4 or xbox
WhatsApp or telegram or other
Sleep at night or not

Coment your favorite

Android Crash is Fucking Bullshit Ever on this Earth Planet.
I really Hate these Number of Versions and Bullshit Incompatibility between each one.

It is Just a Shit Developed on Java.

The Crash Really Fucks the eyes of Developer.

And Fucking Bullshit Errors are not Even visible, Sometimes the shit goes so worst that it does'nt even give the Line Number where error Exists.

Worst OS Developed for Mobile on This Planet.

Anyone getting into these development i suggest IONIC is Best to start instead of Coding Native Bullshit Android.

If anyone knows how to see the realtime errors besides Logcat and Firebase Error please let me know.

I have been coding since 2016, am I overthinking applying for jobs because Im not that "current"? (my React experience is not that deep, I have been working on our startup whos stack doesnt use React or any other front-end framework (only simple handlebars templating))

I have built an actual stable working web platform and mobile app through ionic, is this enough to get a decant non-junior job?
I have never actually worked at a company, its been freelancing and startup (we failed, moving on). Am I overthinking how good I need to be to get a job? I like this one local company but I dont want to screw it up, Im sort of delaying applying there because of it

Ssh Chains 😆

Project was based on Ionic3 with angular and SCSS.

Ionic has an SCSS array with colours that generates countless CSS classes for each combination of color-component.

Smh I managed to reduce the amount of colours in that array and reduced the overall size of the final CSS by 48% (from ~8MB to 4.1MB)

Of course the overall app had no performance increase BC the problem is the main.js file which is about 12MB with no lazy load

Hi, I need some advice about android app development. I am a front end web developer and I want to get into android development. I have created a simple restaurant app using phonegap and knockoutjs but I didn't like the performance. Can you recommend how should I get into android development? Nativescript and ionic also lack performance as far as I have researched. Any help is appreciated.

Question:
Could a mobile application such as, facebook (well a minimum version or it), twitter, devrant etc., be built using the MEAN stack (using ionic framework). Or is really ionic very slow?

Or do we need React Native "for better performance"? thus ME[R]N stack?

I am confused, and every article i read says something else.
What are you devs using these days? i need some opinions here.
F*** this sh*t (now my post is a rant)

I got my first proper start in programming through a side business operated by the same guy that was running a local makerspace. He had me learn basic git syntax and change some values in ionic.

From there I decided the best way to learn how to do this was write my own project in angular. From there I branched of with React and Vue.

During my small tenure as the lead mobile developer for a logistics company I had to manage my stacks between native Android applications in Java and native apps in IOS.

Back then, swift was barely coming into version 3 and as such the transition was not trustworthy enough for me to discard Obj C. So I went with Obj C and kept my knowledge of Swift in the back. It was not difficult since I had always liked Obj C for some reason. The language was what made me click with pointers and understand them well enough to feel more comfortable with C as it was a strict superset from said language. It was enjoyable really and making apps for IOS made me appreciate the ecosystem that much better and realize the level of dedication that the engineering team at Apple used for their compilation protocols. It was my first exposure to ARC(Automatic Reference Counting) as a "form" of garbage collection per se. The tooling in particular was nice, normally with xcode you have a 50/50 chance of it being great or shit. For me it was a mixture of both really, but the number of crashes or unexpected behavior was FAR lesser than what I had in Android back when we still used eclipse and even when we started to use Android Studio.

Developing IOS apps was also what made me see why IOS apps have that distinctive shine and why their phones required less memory(RAM). It was a pleasant experience.

The whole ordeal also left me with a bad taste for Android development. Don't get me wrong, I love my Android phones. But I firmly believe that unless you pay top dollar for an android manufacturer such as Samsung, motorla or lg then you will have lag galore. And man.....everyone that would try to prove me wrong always had to make excuses later on(no, your $200_$300 dllr android device just didn't cut it my dude)

It really sucks sometimes for Android development. I want to know what Google got so wrong that they made the decisions they made in order to make people design other tools such as React Native, Cordova, Ionic, phonegapp, titanium, xamarin(which is shit imo) codename one and many others. With IOS i never considered going for something different than Native since the API just seemed so well designed and far superior to me from an architectural point of view.

Fast forward to 2018(almost 2019) adn Google had talks about flutter for a while and how they make it seem that they are fixing how they want people to design apps.

You see. I firmly believe that tech stacks work in 2 ways:

1 people love a stack so much they start to develop cool ADDITIONS to it(see the awesomeios repo) to expand on the standard libraries

2 people start to FIX a stack because the implementation is broken, lacking in functionality, hard to use by itself: see okhttp, legit all the Square libs, butterknife etc etc etc and etc

From this I can conclude 2 things: people love developing for IOS because the ecosystem is nice and dev friendly, and people like to develop for Android in spite of how Google manages their API. Seriously Android is a great OS and having apps that work awesomely in spite of how hard it is to create applications for said platform just shows a level of love and dedication that is unmatched.

This is why I find it hard, and even mean to call out on one product over the other. Despite the morals behind the 2 leading companies inferred from my post, the develpers are what makes the situation better or worse.

So just fuck it and develop and use for what you want.

Honorific mention to PHP and the php developer community which is a mixture of fixing and adding in spite of the ammount of hatred that such coolness gets from a lot of peeps :P

Oh and I got a couple of mobile contracts in the way, this is why I made this post.

And I still hate developing for Android even though I love Java.

I use ionic for web development,
What do you use, and why do you like it?

Ps:
CSS sucks

Any thoughts on Ionic? Do I learn it or it is a waste of time?

hey android developers
I want to develop dynamic apps.
Which one is good?
Ionic, Flutter, electron,....or any other?

I really hate cross platform mobile application development. Specially ionic this cheap crap

Okay Fuck you Ionic
Look I dont know if it is me but when you say there is a $ionicFacebookAuth service in your @ionic/cloud there had better freaking be one!!!!!

Using ionic1 by the way all

Ionic be like: Testing? Fuck that lets just bring out ionic 3.0 beta and let our testing example repo die with a few pull requests from one dude who actually tries to keep it updated

Basic knowledge of iOS- en Android development necessary to develop with React Native, Ionic or NativeScript? If so or if not, why?

Ionic is so slow slow slow slow fucking slow. I feel like I wasted my time learning it

I've made a Cordova app using ionic, which uses Angular, but I'm thinking of making another one using Vue.js. anyone have any recommendations of tools to get started?

Another ionic app and e commerce site.

What's the best framework for building hybrid apps apart from ionic and Cordova ?

taking my first step towards ionic and angular js wish me luck guys

So they built a ionic app for compatibility between android and iOS now they are gonna keep ionic for android and build from scratch with react native for iOS... Am I missing something? Is that right? Am I sleeping?

My laptop have been in warranty service for nearly a month, I have an FPGA project, a mobile app to make using ionic framework, to make a DSP compare two images and recently someone wants me to make a him a website.

And I actually have just very basic knowledge about these stuff, I've only made an desktop app once, and it just takes numbers gives back numbers.

I never wanted this, leave on my own, stop overrating my searching skills !

And all of that by the end of this semester. Fuck you people.

React Native or Native script or ionic ?

Hey guys, do you know where I can find a good ionic 3 crash course?

Installed a new ionic plugin and no matter what I did it seemed unresponsive.
The plugin has a breakpoint in it ...
Fun stuff

Im an android /java native coder
And a swift/xcode native coder
But I also expert in angular ...
Sooooooo ???
Shall I go android/kotlin+ios/swiftUI
Or ionic angular capacitor ?

Did someone here ever used Ionic ? It looks very very very good to me I'm like... So excited

Looking out for some freelance projects on Ionic Framework and Angularjs

I justed wanted to add audio to my ionic application...

Why did it take 1 hour to find the module ionic-audio, understand how to use it and finally add sound effects ?? 😖

Well, at least, it works both in the browser and on real devices... Not like many cordova plugins 😭

Any recommendations for an ionic build alternative? The new version sucks pricing wise.

Christmas is rolling in , i think il pick up learning the ionic framework while on break hm

Ionic 2 / Xamarin / React Native / PhobeGap (Cordova) and why?

What is the best way, in your opinion, to use vue.js for mobile development? I'm currently trying nativescript with Vue and it seems pretty good. Do you think it's worth using Vue, or it's better to stick with Ionic or React?

I'm so happy today. Fixed a bug that was haunting me for weeks. My ionic app was working on Android, the browser, the toaster,... Everything but an iPhone. I thought it was an issue with iOS and this bug really messed with me.

Guys do you think I should skip angular 1 straight to two. I want to do that for ionic 2

I need to create a quick prototype app that would work on ios and android with web tools. What is the quickest to get into? Phonegaps, cordova, ionic? Any other tools out there?

Who’s used Ionic framework and was it worth it?

React native vs Ionic
Thinking which framework is better, any opinions?

Browse to ionic page when it's in version 1. Scroll down to their documentation , almost there about to complete reading their documentation, ionic releases version 2. Get your system setup for ionic 2. Browse through their page for native nom packages , find ionic V3 there... !!! What the fuck .!!!??? Am I the only one experiencing this ?

developing an app on ionic framework. looks really easy

What's the best mobile development framework coming from Angular perspective? Ionic? Should I also study React and React Native? 🧐

How about flutter? How about in terms of job demands? I'm a PHP and JS guy

Whats yours opinion on Ionic2 for mobile development, and Electron for desktop apps. Any good or should we stay away?

So I gots me an Android app I'm writing in Ionic Angular

Cleartext is disabled by default these days. However I need to make requests from the app to ESP 32's running in the same network. They will always be running in the same network.

Setting cleartext = true in the manifest hasn't worked.

"whitelisting" the ip hasn't worked

It works when usb debugging and keeps working after I unplug the cable but won't work if I close and then reopen the app

If you guys help me with suggestions 😁
I'm good with angular, and using ionic for mobile apps, i used to like it buy it's turning to be pain in the ass
I want to move to react native, should i start with reactjs or go directly to react native ?
I already started reactjs and it's starting to look weird for me ._. (Dont judge me i've been coding in angular the last year and a half)

So the last while they've had me doing web/android dev in Ionic + Angular. I've more or less enjoyed it.

Brings me to a question, any of y'all work with that stack? Is it worth making that my niche?

So far I've always been the guy who is down for anything except Delphi. And there's definitely a place for generalists but I kinda feel like I'm too general. Like my knowledge on most of the stacks I've worked with has stayed too surface level

Ionic...enough said.

Any Ionic Framework users here? How has your experience been so far?

Hey guys! hope everyone is doing very well this week! and as always i really hope everyone has an amazing week ahead!, i would like to ask a question i am soooo stuck in my project and i need help!, so i have a line chart in my project... the graph shows but the lines do not?, i'm using angular and ionic!, i'm also receiving no errors in my console! :-(

i would love some input from you guys <3 would really mean alot!, thank you once again for taking the time to read my question!

kind regards Milo :-)

Are there any ionic experts on here?

Ionic-capacitor is just a plugin paywall
They want you to get stuck when using capacitor plugins, they've eliminated the configurations for these plugins so you get stuck and pay for their shitty closed-source plugins.

Don't fall into this trap, don't ever use Ionic capacitor, stick to react-native or even flutter.

If you are going web, then Ionic is great

Bout to rewrite a huge ionic app to react native. Someone tell me why I shouldn't

can I get job abroad after working on ionic and angular js?

I want to have a fucking background in native Android programming (thou I already have Java/C#) but my laptop is so fucking slow (rip Android studio) and I don't have enough money to buy a better one. I did try studying hybrid Android programming (Ionic Framework) but I just don't like coding in HTML/Angular/JS/TypeScript. Haha.

Please help :) should i stick to ionic or switch to something else for crossplatform development? What do you use?

Has anyone experienced being able to run a build of an electron app that runs successfully, then run the same app that was zipped/tar'ed and then extracted and no longer works? Currently facing a "module not found" error after the application was archived and then extracted. The code im working on is open source and has plenty of documentation if you would like to take a peek!

I'd like to ask peoples opinions on building cross platform apps. So basically I'm on windows, and these insatiably annoying project leads (I fell for the "you code make me an app" one) want it to be cross platform. My first thought was PWAs, but then read that apple are dicks and some of the most important features are not actually supported (#!@?). So then it's ionic or Cordova, but who likes CSS? Or Angular 2? And for a native experience, I'd want to follow both iOS and android design patterns in the same codebase which is way beyond my pay grade. React native comes from Facebook, so I already hate it. Should I just build an android app and cross the iOS bridge later or build a not very native feeling, not vertically centred cross platform Cordova thing? Anyone who's had experience using Cordova care to comment on their successes / failures?

Anyone have any final year project ideas? I'm looking to do either a Web application using an Angular client side or a mobile app using Ionic. I'll be using Spring for my backend

Thinking about switching to cross-platform mobile dev. Ionic or React Native, and why?

Ot Ot na this

Tried to build and searched the internet to build scrolling tabs UI in Ionic Framework and realized that Native is Native. Will be getting back to Android Studio tomorrow.

Triste no es que se acabe una serie que ves, triste es que el curso que sigues ya casi llegue a su fin :c // Sad is not that you finish a series that you see, sad is that the course that you follow is almost at its end: c

I need an advise for my capstone project. I'm planning to make an online booking system for a ferry company. Planning to make it for android and ios and maybe for web too. Did some research and found about ionic. Looks amazing but not sure if it's the right tech to use for my plan. Also about the payment gateway, I want the customers to pay on the app or the website directly without redirecting them to other website. Not really sure if I can use paypal with this, also i need the system to accept mastercard and visa.

I did the research, so please no hate, I'm not asking for the code. I just want to know the right tech to use. I'm just super confused and lost right now.

Advice needed.
Tell me the difference.
I know the technical difference between Native Android Development using Java and developing for android using cross platform frameworks like Cordova, Ionic, etc.
I am quite comfortable with Java, and am also not a web developer. Should I stick to learn android java more in depth or should I start learning frameworks like phonegap and ionic.
Seeking opinion from career and a professional perspective.

Wanna build a cross platform mobile app, Ionic or React Native? Or does it depend on the project I'm going to build..

I have spent one day to perform Ionic 2 RC0 migration without success...-_- I hate migrations !!!

!rant

So I'm making a very simple ionic app that creates a highly customizable feed from different wordpress-based websites of user's choice.

Can you please spam this post with wordpress websites? Just to add some "default" websites to the user

Been working so much with this Geolocation to work with ionic 1 :( ..

#

This is a question and a rant

I have to get temperature readings from an andriod app written in ionic angular to a webpage written apache wicket... No, I don't have any control over either stack.

The kicker is the wicket app isn't even run properly attached to a domain, it's just run from a box at the client and then the client machines connect through <server ip>:8080/appname

Which means I can't solve my problem by simply having the website and app on the same domain and then use local storage...

I have tried

Ionic
window.postMessage({ type: 'temperatureData', data: tempFormatted }, '*');

Test it from this page
<!-- index.html (web page) -->
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
<meta charset="UTF-8">
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0">
<title>Web Page</title>
</head>
<body>

<h1>Temperature Data</h1>
<p id="temperatureData">Loading...</p>

<script>
// Listen for messages from the Ionic app
window.addEventListener('message', (event) => {
if (event.data.type === 'temperatureData') {
// Update the temperature data on the page
document.getElementById('temperatureData').textContent = event.data.data;
}
});
</script>

</body>
</html>

Which does not work, the page fails to pick the data.

So my rant is the situation. M question is does anyone have any ideas?

I've tried to make geolocation on ionic 1 worked. Can someone knows about it?

I have a website that requires microphone permission. How can I wrap it in ionic to make it into a mobile application? Any references, tutorials for this will be appreciated...

I've been wondering since i installed the app, if it's written native, or using react, ionic or xamarin? So any enlighten?

Has anyone ever worked with a NativeScript Angular project? If so, how do you feel that they compare to regular Angular2+ webapps or to Ionic2+ mobile apps from a code writing and ease perspective? I just started working with Ionic2+ and they blew me away with the ease of code and how quickly you can get things running and how well and native they do look and act, however the user experience can't compete with that of Xamarin or ReactNative apps. I've also worked with just Angular2+ as well for particular apps and I can't say it's a bad experience because frankly it's one of the best pure web tools I've ever worked with.

Xamarin vs Flutter

I already know c# but I’m thinking it’s better to learn Dart + Flutter than carry on with Xamarin (only ever worked on the back end parts of Xamarin so not familiar with the layout syntax and the ui side of it).

Xamarin seems to be so clunky (to be fair more the dev environment than the end result), even on a powerful machine it’s a pig to work on.

Our project uses Xamarin forms, without any extra MVVM framework such as Prism and it just seems a bit shit from what front end code I’ve seen (could be the devs).

So given that I’m not sure that holding out for MAUI and expecting it to be a silver bullet is a good idea.

Is the UI code for Flutter any cleaner?
Is the dev environment more reliable?

Or is another option better, such as ReactNative or Ionic ?
(Particularly if one of those would let you develop an iOS version without access to a Mac)