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So I need to create a nice new web app. Let's look at some cool JS frameworks that I can work with.
*5 mins later* Hm, Angular sounds good, is there any good competitor?
*5 mins later* Wow, React sounds awesome as well. Let me learn it.
Google search result:
"Planning to use react? Check out Vue JS first"
*5 mins later* Ok so vue seems faster than React and much easier to learn. Let me see if Vue is the final choice.
Google search result:
"Angular VS Knockout VS Ember VS React VS Mithril VS Mercury VS Ractive VS Vue VS Riot"
Nope, fuck it63 -
Let's make a drinking game!
We will say random words. If there is a JavaScript framework with that name we have to take a shot.
20 minutes later we will need a liver transplant.15 -
Startups are like JS frameworks.
The more you encounter, the more you realize how useless 90% of them are.6 -
Me: Let's use some framework to make things easier and faster!
Boss: No, we will do everything on our own, because when you quit your job I won't find anyone who knows that framework to replace you.
Me: But you won't find anyone who knows our custom solutions even more...4 -
First law of javascript
Always open your browser console while developing
Second law
Never trust any javascript frameworks6 -
This Christmas, I hereby call for a total and complete shutdown of new css/js frameworks until we can figure out what the hell is going on.5
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Saw a guy asking on LinkedIn for PHP frameworks. He was currently using notepad++ as framework.
Say what... 🤓13 -
Ten hours of making a fully responsive website for a gf's university class in only pure HTML and CSS made me realize how much I take frameworks for granted.18
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Looking at the number of JavaScript frameworks that are popping up these days..
a day will come, when human race will get extinct and only JS frameworks will survive like cockroaches..!!3 -
Never jump on to the framework bandwagon.
Use the frameworks that you really want to use.
I'm looking at you, JavaScript frameworks.2 -
5 nEw JavaAcriPt frAmeWorkS foR 2020
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this is why people keep thinking us in the JavaScript world are fucking retarded.11 -
"This framework does what we want but let's not use it as we don't fully understand what's going on. It's better to write our own".
Me:
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Fuck all these CSS frameworks using Jquery as their dependency. Cross-browser my ass.
I am going full flexbox.2 -
I'm the only one here that still uses jquery instead of some angular/react/vanilla/random JS frameworks?11
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finished learning a framework/plugin.. *feel like boss* 😎
bam! new version with breaking changes.. *feel like sobbing* 😭7 -
Implementing a neural network trained with a genetic algorithm from scratch, no libs or frameworks. It was intense.4
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"Hard times make good developers
Good developers create good frameworks
Good frameworks create bad developers
Bad developer make hard times" - Wisdom from internet3 -
JavaScript frameworks are bad
Each upvote on this post hinders development of bad JavaScript frameworks5 -
I've been using microsoft dev stack for as long as i remember. Since I picked up C#/.NET in 2002 I haven't looked back. I got spoiled by things like type safety, generics, LINQ and its functional twist on C#, await/async, and Visual Studio, the best IDE one could ask for.
Over the past few years though, I've seen the rise of many competing open source stacks that get many things right, e.g. command line tooling, package management, CI, CD, containerization, and Linux friendliness. In general many of those frameworks are more Mac friendly than Windows. Microsoft started sobering up to this fact and started open sourcing its frameworks and tools, and generally being more Mac/Linux friendly, but I think that, first, it's a bit too late, and second, it's not mature yet; not even comparable to what you get on VS + Windows.
More recently I switched jobs and I'm mainly using Mac, Python, and some Java. I've also used node in a couple of small projects. My feeling: even though I may be resisting change, I genuinely feel that C# is a better designed language than Java, and I feel that static type languages are far superior to dynamic ones, especially on large projects with large number of developers. I get that dynamic languages gives you a productivity boost, and they make you feel liberated, but most of the time I feel that this productivity is lost when you have to compensate for type safety with more unit tests that would not be necessary in a static type language, also you tend to get subtle bugs that are only manifested at runtime.
So I'm really torn: enjoy world class development platform and language, but sacrifice large ecosystem of open source tools and practices that get the devops culture; or be content with less polished frameworks/languages but much larger community that gets how apps should be built, deployed, monitored, etc.
Damn you Microsoft for coming late to the open source party.11 -
Some honest to God declarations are in place here! Hope no new js frameworks get added before this rant is seen.
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I fucking love the vsCode "search everywhere" function, it saved me countless times with chinese frameworks, holy shit.3
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Normies Developers
Crossfit Languages
Vegans Frameworks
Politics OS
Religion Color Scheme
Pets Editors
Sports Conferences
Fashion Companies
Movies Movies4 -
Dear people who create frameworks and libraries,
Please don't advertise your stuff as 'super easy to use', 'incredibly lightweight', 'no configuration needed', 'seamless integration' and shit like this. We all know it's a big fat fucking lie. Just be honest and write 'it supposed to be all-purpose but won't solve your problem', 'a huge fucking chaotic mess', 'slow as shit', 'will eat up all your resources', 'might be good but we've lost the documentation' or 'actually worse than vanilla'. If you'd do this, the world would be a better place.
Thanks,4 -
the more time I spend in this industry, the more I come to realize that it's a very blurry line between PROGRAMMING and CONFIGURING.
How much programming do you do these days, really? Isn't it just configuring your frameworks and libraries and engines to do what they do in the way you want?
Does it still make you programmers...?
And then what are these .conf files for your application? A declarative configuration for your... imperative configuration...?20 -
Skrew all these "modern" css frameworks, I'm returning to the 90's bitches!!!
https://nostalgic-css.github.io/NES...3 -
Software Engineering in future is just "Framework of frameworks" or one could say.. "Library of Libraries"...2
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So I always start learning JS frameworks and end up getting confused by their syntax among other things. Do you guys know of any good websites to learn vanilla JS? My problem is that I probably don't know enough of vanilla and end up getting flustered.11
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Anyone else make the weirdest workarounds ever to trivial framework problems. Then read documentation to find out that there was a function for that...
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After doing some Vue, I probably will go with laravel for the backend.
I'm excited about that, but it feels just right.18 -
My colleague does not use git (well, not for much), hates all external frameworks, and when he sees my code he tells me "that's not how I would have done this", every single goddamn time. Aaand we are the only two developers in our company.4
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999 frameworks that do the same thing and every year 1 of them becomes the fad and many things written in last year's fad gets rewritten in new one.2
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Dev trend I think will pass?
Creating new frameworks on this dumpster fire of a language we call JavaScript.11 -
I've worked on dozens of projects now and I have tried using several CSS frameworks. Every time I experienced using a framework much more of a hustle than using custom CSS for the design. If your design gets a little bit more complex or unusual you will spent hours on fixes.
For me the times of frameworks in CSS have passed.
Tough I kinda like Vuetify, but then I haven't used it on big projects yet.7 -
I honestly don't get the idea behind JavaScript frameworks. Like, if JavaScript on its own is really so bad that it's only usable for front-end devs with a framework.. why has nobody considered committing back their changes into JavaScript itself? Makes life easier for everyone.
Also, regarding the framework.. as far as I understand it's a bunch of functions that you load in, right? But do you really need all of those, to the point where the unused ones are justifiable? And wouldn't it make more sense to write them yourself as you need them? I mean that's at least the idea of functions in languages like Bash or C or whatever.
What's the point of frameworks?37 -
"I created the Best NodeJS framework of all time. Because other frameworks are so stupid.
Check out my work https://github.com/mayajs/maya
All other frameworks are dumb. mine is the best.
Support mine instead. NestJS sucks.
Follow me on twitter: https://twitter.com/IgnacioMack
"
Fuck you7 -
Which framework can jump the most?
Java Spring Framework.
Which framework can store hot water?
Python Flask
Which framework is believed to cause extinction of dinosaurs?
Meteor JS
Which script devs like to drink the most?
Coffeescript1 -
C: what technologies are you using in this product?
Me: we are using celery which uses kombu to communicate through redis. Additionally, we have beat tasks that run and check the state of workers
C: was someone hungry when they named these frameworks?
Me: Possibly, but I just got hungry naming them. -
Everyone I work with: If we use <framework> then we can solve <insert complex low level issue>.
Me: That is great but what is the actual solution design?
Evwryone: We use <framework> to solve <issue>.
Me: Yeah I get that.... But how? What is the plan? The architecture of this new system to support <framework> and are there issues that get created?
Everyone: If we use <framework> we won't have the issue we are talking about.5 -
no matter what fucking framework you use, or what shitty thing you build with your stupid framework, if you don't have a sound knowledge of Javascript, you are just a FUCKING ASSHOLE AND A DUMB SCAMMER. YOU WOULD BE USELESS AND JOBLESS IF NOT FOR THE ASSHOLES WHO HELPED YOUR HOPELESS LAZY LIFE3
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What To Learn?
I'm a beginner in web development and have knowledge about html, css, JavaScript, jQuery, Sass, NodeJS, Express, MongoDB, Passport. You can consider me to be a beginner full stack developer, but I'm confused about what to learn further. There are so many front end frameworks that one can spend his entire life learning them. React, Vue, Angular, Backbone, etc. But I always want to learn backend properly, then there's Rails, PHP, SQL, Python. Can anyone atleast tell me what to learn and why exactly? This thing's making me mad and anxious.24 -
When your mobile app has like 5 analytics frameworks because the higher ups need "the best analytics data"...4
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JS frameworks.
it's great how most are easy to use and very useful.
i dont know why people hate this abundance of choice, if theres too many for you to chose than you need to be more decisive.5 -
My boss decides on new languages/frameworks almost each new project...
These are the number of different languages/frameworks we are at...
Back end:
5
Frontend:
4
Sometimes it looks like he is trying to even out by 10 :)2 -
You don't want to learn any of the existing JavaScript frameworks? Just create your own framework and use it...6
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That moment a non dev friend wants to get into web dev and ask you want he needs, you give him a list with 5 languages, 20 libraries/frameworks to use, 8 tools, 25 devices to use to test and a letter saying "Good luck learning all of that"1
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Can't help but when watch most profiles(some exceptions)of ranters I see are front end developers. Aren't here some guys who work on developing frameworks, work on linux kernels or maybe work on linux distros?
P.S.: I love RoR and will contribute to make it better. So the image.
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Everybody trying to create THEIR own universal platform so we must choose which universal platform is more universal than others1
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Another JavaScript joke because, why not?
Still curious though.. Which Frameworks (for JavaScript and PHP) do you guys actually use?
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I like building large apps in flat php.
I get bullied for not using OOP / Frameworks.
I don't like this.5 -
Am I the only one who is sick of the Javascript, Javascript frameworks and anything ending with .js9
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Worst meeting:
Trying to decide which front end JavaScript framework to use.
Debated about Knockout, Angular, React, etc.
Decision: Too fat frameworks, DIY using jQuery. I wonder how big and unstable is our DIY framework. Is it even a framework? Just few organically written script files.6 -
Spring Frameworks and the projects surrounding it such as Spring Boot, Thymeleaf, and recently lombok. Without these API's and frameworks I wouldn't be using Java half as competently as I am.
Development is moving further and further towards containerization and it's a massive time saver. -
stupid frameworks and all your stupid nice looking code but overload of necessity I am actually debating on going off of the grid or at least ditching frameworks and just throwing shit at the wall and squeezing my knee2
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That moment when you feel that you are a great developer ready to do some pull requests to the framework you are using and then you check the source code of it and wonder if that's even the same language.
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Why do we never talk about angular? It was way ahead all the time. Like you got all these nice things with Vue 3 and React 42, but bro angular got it all for years..
It feels so nice learning it.7 -
Today our webdev prof: "you must use bootstrap! You are not allowed to define your own classes!"
He's a nice guy, but I don't like frameworks, especially if they rely on other frameworks so much that you basically have another language.3 -
"Today was a good day, I didn't have to context switch between three different frameworks." -- Ice Cube2
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I really hate PHP frameworks.
I also often write my own frameworks but propriety. I have two decades experience doing without frameworks, writing frameworks and using frameworks.
Virtually every PHP framework I've ever used has causes more headaches than if I had simply written the code.
Let me give you an example. I want a tinyint in my database.
> Unknown column type "tinyint" requested.
Oh, doctrine doesn't support it and wont fix. Doctrine is a library that takes a perfectly good feature rich powerful enough database system and nerfs it to the capabilities of mysql 1.0.0 for portability and because the devs don't actually have the time to create a full ORM library. Sadly it's also the defacto for certain filthy disgusting frameworks whose name I shan't speak.
So I add my own type class. Annoying but what can you do.
I have to try to use it and to do so I have to register it in two places like this (pseudo)...
Types::add(Tinyint::class);
Doctrine::add(Tinyint::class);
Seems simply enough so I run it and see...
> Type tinyint already exists.
So I assume it's doing some magic loading it based on the directory and commend out the Type::add line to see.
> Type to be overwritten tinyint does not exist.
Are you fucking kidding me?
At this point I figure out it must be running twice. It's booting twice. Do I get a stack trace by default from a CLI command? Of course not because who would ever need that?
I take a quick look at parent::boot(). HttpKernel is the standard for Cli Commands?
I notice it has state, uses a protected booted property but I'm curious why it tries to boot so many times. I assume it's user error.
After some fiddling around I get a stack trace but only one boot. How is it possible?
It's not user error, the program flow of the framework is just sub par and it just calls boot all over the place.
I use the state variable and I have to do it in a weird way...
> $booted = $this->booted;parent::boot();if (!$booted) {doStuffOnceThatDependsOnParentBootage();}
A bit awkward but not life and death. I could probably just return but believe or not the parent is doing some crap if already booted. A common ugly practice but one that works is to usually call doSomething and have something only work around the state.
The thing is, doctrine does use TINYINT for bool and it gets all super confused now running commands like updates. It keeps trying to push changes when nothing changed. I'm building my own schema differential system for another project and it doesn't have these problems out of the box. It's not clever enough to handle ambiguous reverse mappings when single types are defined and it should be possible to match the right one or heck both are fine in this case. I'd expect ambiguity to be a problem with reverse engineer, not compare schema to an exact schema.
This is numpty country. Changing TINYINT UNSIGNED to TINYINT UNSIGNED. IT can't even compare two before and after strings.
There's a few other boots I could use but who cares. The internet seems to want to use that boot function. There's also init stages missing. Believe it or not there's a shutdown and reboot for the kernel. It might not be obvious but the Type::add line wants to go not in the boot method but in the top level scope along with the class definition. The top level scope is run only once.
I think people using OOP frameworks forget that there's a scope outside of the object in PHP. It's not ideal but does the trick given the functionality is confined to static only. The register command appears to have it's own check and noop or simply overwrite if the command is issued twice making things more confusing as it was working with register type before to merely alias a type to an existing type so that it could detect it from SQL when reverse engineering.
I start to wonder if I should just use columnDefinition.
It's this. Constantly on a daily basis using these pretentious stuck up frameworks and libraries.
It's not just the palava which in this case is relatively mild compared to some of the headaches that arise. It's that if you use a framework you expect basic things out of the box like oh I don't know support for the byte/char/tinyint/int8 type and a differential command that's able to compare two strings to see if they're different.
Some people might say you're using it wrong. There is such a thing as a learning curve and this one goes down, learning all the things it can't do. It's cripplesauce.12 -
It's official. I've hit javascript ~fatigue~. *Burnout*. STAAAAHP with all the frameworks and libraries and weirdly named stuff. To quote Abe Simpson: "I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you...".
I need to switch gears.1 -
Am I the only one who finds single page website designs too boring and generic? Frameworks, on one side, increase our overall productivity but on the other side kill all our creativity.7
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Frontend double standards: havind two CSS frameworks on THE SAME FREAKING PROJECT, with arbitrary usage!!!!11one5
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Now I know Node.js and PHP as well.
Convince me why I should use Node.Js and other frameworks over PHP and related frameworks.6 -
Hello guys. A newbie to the app. I would like to ask - start a conversation with you about adopting new technologies, if should we follow or just wait? I am a PHP developer. I would set myself around mid to senior level. Since I graduated and I start working on a Marketing/Development Company, I have been develop a lot of websites, platforms with pure PHP, JavaScript, SQL. Later I start using framework like laravel. Now I am thinking about JS frameworks such as node, vue, react, angular and maybe later noSQL. The problem is that there are many new technologies that companies required when you apply. I want to learn new technologies but I don't know if that would be helpful than focus on LAMP and get better and better to that. Many orgs have implemented their own technologies and each company is getting mad to it. You see each company adapt these new technologies even if they don't want em or projects required it. So my question is: are we talking about dramatically speed and light use to server when we use new frameworks like these, previous mentione + etc? Or companies are just trying to look cool by mentioning many techologies while projects could never ask for em? (Nothing serious, I am just trying to make conversation and clear my thoughts by getting others opinion)17
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You know what I've noticed? I've been applying for jobs lately, and it has occurred to me that most job postings for software developer require proficiency in a framework instead of a language.
Do these people even know what the fuck they want? If I know the fucking language then I can pick up the god damn framework pretty damn quickly
😠 Fucking douche bags!
... 😧 ok I'm done1 -
!rant but question to you experts:
Hey, guys. I'm currently trying to up my game in terms of web development. I already know js, html, php and css quite well (enough to become a tutor at my university) but I'm not shure which frameworks (serverside and clientside) are worth considering. Until now I wrote everything from scratch, which is not very sustainable (waaaay to much code to maintain)
Could you please tell me your softwarestacks, what library to use, which frameworks to learn (Vue/React/Angular/...)? Every opinion is very appreciated and won't go unheard. Thanks in advance.
btw: you guys are the nicest people I ever met online. Thank you for being so awesome.1 -
Working on a project in college
we thought a messenger would be cool. (Language: C# )
We decided to use a microservice architecture, rabbitMQ, .Net Core and some frameworks like EF.
My project leader changed the whole project because he is convinced that we need bleeding edge technologies if we want to create a great product. He added over 15 frameworks like MassTransit which released 10 days ago (.Net Core support).
Now we have to put a lot of effort into learning how these frameworks work instead of implementing.
How would you handle this?4 -
Several JavaScript Frameworks / Libraries keep springing up everyday! After learning Angular, everyone is saying it's fading and React has taken over.
What's fucking wrong with Front end?!!15 -
I've seen developers offering to build limited websites for $5 on Fiverr. How can they do that? They must be using templates and frameworks pretty heavily to work at scale for those prices, surely?5
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Finally started new job this week in programming language and frameworks I never worked with.
I’m already refactoring code 😂4 -
RAD (Rapid Application Development, such as Oracle's colossal frameworks) frameworks aren't rad at all. They promise to let you focus on your business code, but instead what they do is bring you additional problems to have gray hairs over.
Thoughts?9 -
Frameworks for Mobile Hybrid Apps.
So we are considering to migrate our native Android app to a Hybrid because the app almost entirely consists of webviews.
what do you think will be the best choice to try.
in terms of performance, documentation, community, ease of writing and maintaining code13 -
I guess having a standardised documentation, an open-source encyclopedia about programming languages, frameworks, etc...
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Leadership has decided we do only Django from now on if we do tailored software. My supressed rage when I just brought in tons of cash with not-Django tailored software.
How many big profitable companies got that big doing just one thing?1 -
I work at company that uses Drupal for everything. And i mean EVERYTHING. Our dumb CTO once even wanted us to join tender for flight data collection system... of course it would run on fucking drupal...
Yeah i can see its advantages but it has learning curve the shape of the snail shell and if you want it to do something new you either find module for it or drupal will start crying, shits itself and tell you to go fuck yourself.. also it is full of surprises to make your day as miserable as possible, like you send variable as $content['varname'] to user template and it returns as $user_profile['varname']['value']... and yes user template has $content array for content but why use it for storing content that i want to render.. it is used for other content to render... because in drupal content != content...
I started using laravel for my freelance projects and it took my less than 2 week to get up to speed and start working and is incredible fast to work in... You know.. its fun when you want to just add feature you just code that feature into your app.. and not spend 2 fucking years crawling through retarded preprocess functions...
Whenever i try to suggest we use other frameworks.. "Muh drupal has MODULES".. yeah because drupal is the only thing in universe that has modules.. When client has only need for simple site with simple template why use wordpress and have it done in 2 days when you can use drupal have 10 000 unnecessary DB queries that drupal does on every page load to load page title and make that site in a week.. or why use laravel for e-shop with specific functionality requested by client that would take 2 weeks to add in laravel when you can spend 2 months modifing uber-cart or drupal commerce modules only to hit some Drupal core surprise that wont allow for that feature to be implemented...3 -
So today my internship started and I'm to install virtual box and vagrant ok that's simple😊 now it's what comes after that's got me shitting myself laravel/homestead 😟 never heard of it 😨 themosis never heard of it and what the fuck is stylus... I got a lot of catching up to do3
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Hello everbody!
For college I'm doing a small research project. The goal of my research is give advice to web developers on using JavaScript frameworks to create mobile applications and help them decide which framework to use by comparing 3 popular frameworks. I decided to compare React Native, Ionic and NativeScript. I myself have only used React Native to build a mobile application. I would like to get some opinions from other developers on this matter. I want to compare the frameworks based on the following categories: developing time, performance, debugging an learning curve. Are there developers here who would be willing to write their experience with these frameworks? Or maybe some of you know a forum or other place where I can ask for some help:)3 -
The Java framework we're working with at our company is so complicated that it doubles as a steganographic device to conceal software.
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Got a chance to work again on a Spring project after a few years of working with JavaSE.
All these horrible memories started rushing back. SpringJPA and its dark magic that only works unintuitively and under very certain conditions...
Ooooh boi. Now I remember. I remember it all.
Why do developers enjoy being squeezed into frameworks and enjoy spending half of a day figuring out how to make the application code compatible with the said framework rather than just writing code that they have full control over...? Masochists much?9 -
Isn't it fun when you are given a library or framework and that in order to debug it you have to use some hacky way of hooking the code to a special instance of the project?
Even more fun: the developers by default don't debug the project with tools, but rather with logic. Ok, that's a good way to debug but it shouldn't be the only way to debug. I don't want to go back to the age of coding on paper. At least give me a stacktrace that's halfway clear on what's happening there. Even worse is when the framework doesn't document its own problems! stacktrace.someMagicalMethodNoOneKnowsWhatItDoes(). Having to read the even more mystic and overly verbose documentation! You're just left there trying and guessing shit, even for the senior devs!
And do you know what's more fucked up?! Fucking using println() to debug!! And they take this shit seriously! I don't understand how these people call themselves programmers. No breakpoints? What the fuck, man!
Just give me Visual Studio for fuck's sake. I don't want to code in a broken IDE with a broken framework. Development on its own is already hard enough, so don't make it harder by giving me crappy frameworks and crappy IDE's that only work half the time.
Debugging without a debugger, with broken IDE's, with broken frameworks, I'm sorry but that's just not for me. And then the framework dares advertise that it 'lets the developer focus on business code!' (how many times have you heard this crap before?). Right, the only thing I focus on constantly is trying to figure out why their broken framework doesn't work.
Arghhh. -
Trying to get some cool project for fun using CSS framework. Don't want to use bootstrap. What's fancy yet powerful for a basic HTML/CSS site maybe with some jQuery/JS?9
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I really tried to give tailwind a chance. I gave my best to start using it....
I hate it. It sucks. It makes my design process slow as fuck. Fuck of with this shit.5 -
God DAMN IT!!!!
I swear, every single time I get close to a Spring project I'm elbows deep in shit.
Like this case... I have to explicitly specify @DependsOn for my @Component, so Spring could autowire constructor parameters. If I don't, sometimes the app starts fine (if I start it through IDE) and sometimes it fails, saying bean could not be created (apparently, there's some functionality gap causing PostProcessors not to be called if the bean is first touched by a constructor autowirer)
when they say frameworks are good and fast, I say "LOOK AT MY LIFETIME SPENT WORKAROUNDING THEIR ERRORS!!!" -
When recruiters put json and rest APIs on higher priority than frameworks and stacks.
Do they even know how simple are those APIs comparing to frameworks!?2 -
When the framework you're using decides to work in UTC after 5 years of using default system timezone. And instead of giving you the option to change timezone, hardcore enforces it by:
os.environ['TZ'] = 'UTC'
time.tzset()
For people who don't know python.. It basically tells your code that your system time is set to UTC (ingnoring the right timezone)
Now we get one bug after another because of this undocumented shitty change without changes in how time fields behave in different client timezones.
😒🔫
(Don't get me wrong, using UTC is logical however not in an existening application and forcing devs to rewrite all code that handles time fields)1 -
Where is the best place one wil get updates on programming/developering, tools, frameworks, language (technology in general)12
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Canadian PetPeeve #1337 when frameworks/languages use American spelling, goddamn it's colour not color9
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Going into a web animation class hoping to finally learn CSS animations as well as how SVGs work (I never knew)
Ending up finding out that the prof is using frameworks like Animate.CSS. FUCK.
I didn't pay thousands of dollars to learn the frameworks I have been using for the past four years!!!3 -
I understand that front end frameworks are important when scaling an app/project but it’s not a necessity for small student projects.
Can someone make me understand how a student can make use of the frontend frameworks not just for the sake of learning it but the framework actually being a necessity4 -
!rant
I swear web frameworks are popping up faster than I can catch up, I mean I'm not even done learning react 😭 usually made projects in ASP.NET MVC with just jquery and it just feels like a lot of work to create more layers on the front end as well. Advice needed if you work on both front and back end what js frameworks do you use, and from experience which would you prefer?3 -
!Rant
I know this is not the place for these questions, but:
1. If we have frameworks like React Native, why going native?
2. Why doesn't Google or Apple support these kinds of frameworks rather investing in developing their own languages (in-case of Swift)
I searched for many articles but need a pro opinion from you guys4 -
People nowadays.
Searched for JS/NodeJs frameworks.
Read the Docs for a couple of minutes and run some examples.
*Opens* CV / Linkedin to update Skillset.
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So with the count of JS/Nodejs Frameworks, they probably have lots skills listed in their CV.2 -
So many choices for backend I'm fucking confused. Yesterday, I tried Django and i found it little similar to RoR(in generating things, db migration things).
I'm currently working in NodeJS.
I even don't know should I rant or cry.
And of course frontend is another thing same like this.....
And I'm not much experienced to differentiate them and know which is better and where it will fit.
Can anyone tell me in simple way which framework fits where?1 -
We feel happy when our some ordinary creation leads..... believe me I never had this intention.
(https://github.com/the-benchmarker/...)
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My standard pattern for using 'time saving' things (frameworks, scripts, new technologies) seems to be:
1) Get excited by how easy <new thing> is to use.
2) Spend the next 12 hours trying to work out how to work with this new shit.
3) Realise I'm now further back than I started.
Today has been docker.
Easy to run my new Wildfly docker container.... can I find the IP address to connect to? Can I fuck.2 -
defineProperty from JavaScript is pretty awesome, without that many reactive frameworks would rely on polling which is expensive.
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Does anybody else feel a little sad when reading rants or negative comments concerning frameworks you've used a lot or maybe even more in case you're still using them?
In my particular case I just read some comments tackling Angular - and I do not want to say, that those comments aren't justified. We're currently living in a more than ever fast-paced front end framework world and Angular is simply not state of the art anymore.
So I do not want to start a "what's the best framework" discussion here, that's not my intention.
This is more about the feeling you get when you've built a lot of stuff using a framework, maybe you have still projects running on this framework or even contributed.
Either you do not have the time to switch to another framework yet or you're even still somehow satisfied with the way they're working.
However - reading all this negative stuff about such a framework is sometimes not that easy.
..or am I just some kind of strange, sentimental developer guy? ;D10 -
Just discovered qwik and solid... any thoughts?
they both look like react clones :/ but what doesn't these days?
I guess they really were serious when they say its its 10 new frameworks per year 🤡3 -
I want to become Android developer as well as web developer (Full Stack more likely) , So enlightenment me Devs which API , Libraries, Frameworks i should master?10
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I cringe every time I see someone joke about a new "framework" coming out every other day.
This is a serious problem, guys! Instead of piling up crappy, undocumented "frameworks", why not go to one that works well, and improve it.
It's a lot easier to learn how to design and develop when you're working with others who have been at it a lot longer than you.1 -
Have you ever envied someone that they know more technologies than you? (e.g they know a couple of frameworks that you don't have any idea about)
If you do, what is your response in this situation and why?4 -
lately, I was thinking to practice my coding with responsive front-end frameworks, I will create few demo websites templates/web applications.
any suggestion to responsive front-end framework besides bootstrap which I'm pretty familiar with.4 -
Evolving so fast that we would make frameworks to keep track of frameworks that make their own frameworks out of frameworks.
Real AI shall be birthed in this manner. -
CSS.... vertical centering back around 2000 before flexbox and frameworks
HTML- before we head css frameworks looked bootstrap. I am done make things pretty ..I make them functional -
Looking for some advice from anyone who has used and transitioned away from Material-ui (React).
https://material-ui.com/
Tasked with removing the Material-ui used in our react project. Old team took shortcuts like using these types of frameworks at every step and the software is brittle.
Any advice from anyone who has ripped Material-ui out of a project.
We are doing this to move away from CSS-in-JS and this is conflicting with every fucking element in the fucking project.
<TextField> with it's special internal props
<Buttons> with its fucking "classes" prop that one take fucking CSS-in-JS
Any advice or just say some random shit or post a GIF for the lulz.
Peace.2 -
I'm currently starting to develop a simple web app to access a database, just simple read, write, update stuff. Doesn't need to be fancy or anything, just work.
Now I asked a PHP dev I know for help and he told me I should use Symfony and Easy Admin Bundle. I'm not sure rn if it'd be worth it to get to know how to work with frameworks or not. What do you guys think?
Btw, I'm not planning on doing a lot more web development.3 -
I just want to ask fellow Developers here, can you give me a reason why you have to adjust to standards given by frameworks and not to create your own framework because thats just recreating the wheel?
I want to be enlightened as sometimes i tend to be hesitant in learning new frameworks/languages because i find them over-complicating the process on creating an app/software.5 -
I think it's just me.
Every time I build something I feel as if I completely mess it up. For example, after a few days of working on an Android app after school, I feel like It's already become a mess. Perhaps it is just my aversion to making thousands of classes for every little detail, because I feel as if it would slow down my app (even if it were a minor penalty), but it usually makes for a onStart() function with ~90 lines of code which just makes me feel bad on the inside (and also a bad developer, so I wouldn't dare ask money for an app I built). Either way, if I would add these calls to other functions my Fragment/Activity class would still be fat. Also, typing 'context: Context' or 'Context context' just seems awkward.
I also feel like most frameworks are just a mess. Take Qt, for example. Quite a community touting how great it is (I use KDE Plasma btw) and I'm sure it is. I've got an idea for a desktop app but just the idea of it using some sort of JS (yes, I'm talking about QML which I'm considering) gives me the shivers. I already don't like Electron, so the idea of having JS embedded in a desktop app just doesn't sound right to me. But again, maybe it's just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯2 -
Two years without working on web dev. Planning to build a website.
Any frameworks that i should test?8 -
Why so many weird frameworks and libraries? these days I study so many frameworks and install things and I am actually overwhelmed. Sometimes those things conflict each other and end up messing up my PC. Do frameworks and libraries make dev environment fancy? I am not sure, to me it seems that things are going messy. Please give me fresh perspective.2
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Not learning web quicker, it's now the most growing thing and there are so many technologies and frameworks and I haven't had enough time to go over them. However, the only problem is some of these frameworks last a little while and die out so it's not all that bad.1
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Am I the only one trying to learn angularjs with a 2 month old tutorial and already breaking changes were made. It's soo frustrating I just wanna quit frameworks and do it manually.3
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what's up with backend devs getting on rants about frontend frameworks? Don't they use frameworks for developing their precious servers? or do they just write the whole thing from scratch?
Shit tards, frontend development is evolving and for the better, we've got awesome frameworks that help us reduce the amount of code we need to write to attain a functionality and in a way that reduces headaches when building a large application and gives superb consistent performance because the code has been production tested a million times! yeah you can use js to build a frontend because its JS it's what it was designed to do, but tell me how reinventing the wheel everytime you make a frontend is useful, and how that is maintainable in the long run when building a large production frontend?
The modern frameworks, help us write modular and reusable components that can be shared and used by anyone for any of their application. They are arming the web with capabilities that are close to what native apps offer and still you keep bitching about it.1 -
Something hit me. If using fair use things not properly can cause you political issues, then so using frameworks...
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If we really try to reinvent the wheel, and if we did that successfully, I bet it will be 2x better than at least all the unfancy stuff in the dev-market
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I need to write a standalone server in Java 1.7 and have it
-handle GET urls and map them to different classes/methods
-extract the query params and expose them to the method
-Can respond in JSON by serialising the POJO or a list of them
We have an existing server I think that uses JBoss but takes forever to start and uses a lot of memory.
I also wrote one before with just a (Grizzly?) HttpServer so had to manually implement the above as needed. Only needed it to do one thing so really just 1 path.
Similar situation this time but I'd prefer to not have to implement this stuff manually and need it to be a bit more flexible to extension.7 -
PHP was made to become the language propulsing main e-commerce frameworks... because of those dollars everywhere
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Programming languages / frameworks you dominate? Me:
-Rails / RoR
-C/C++
-PHP / laravel
-Javascript / jQuery / Backbone etc..
- Python / django1 -
What is the point of .NET Core 3 WPF and WinForms? Only thing i can think of is that MS want's to migrate frameworks to .NET Core, but is there anything that those frameworks gain?9
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Advice needed.
Tell me the difference.
I know the technical difference between Native Android Development using Java and developing for android using cross platform frameworks like Cordova, Ionic, etc.
I am quite comfortable with Java, and am also not a web developer. Should I stick to learn android java more in depth or should I start learning frameworks like phonegap and ionic.
Seeking opinion from career and a professional perspective.3 -
My opinion on CSS & component frameworks?
>Build your own and reuse.
Have I done so? No, but always wanted to and I will have the opportunity to build one next year for a company I work for. Best of all, it will be open sourced.
SUPER EXCITED2 -
!rant
What are some features that you would like to see in a css framework, that are currently not present in frameworks like bootstrap, foundation, etc?2 -
I hate libraries and frameworks that make it extremely difficult to use them, making it so that you have to hook into them in a hacky number of ways..
Yuck, just give me a regular library that I can use. -
!=rant
So, my company wants to use MadCap Flare to build our help center. This project is a nightmare so far. I've been trying to push for some better alternatives for down the road. Any recommendations? Preferably a
Some sort of free open source framework. I've seen a couple of developer friendly CMS frameworks pop up lately but just want to get a consensus from my good devrant ppls. -
!IthinkNotRent
Trying to write two player checkers/chess game with PHP
Any ideas about frameworks (maybe js frameworks) that will make my life easier
(No Nodejs plzzz)
Thanks!9 -
Make a full application in elixir with Phoenix frameworks
Deeper understanding of functional programming -
When you realize Onsen.io knows more base Front End frameworks than you do. Why the fuck did I do Ionic? :(1
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